IDPA SO Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hi all, Just picked up a STI Tru Bor i 9mm. My first open gun. i curretly load for IDPA ESP 126K PF. The components i have available to me at this time are listed below. 147 RN Extreme 165 RN Extreme FED 100 Primer CFE Pistol Powder Vhita N320 Powder Any input for a major 9mm load development from these components will be very appreciated. Also any suggestios for other loads with other components would be appreciated too. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 My personal opinion is the bullets you have are way too heavy and too soft, the primers are too soft and the only powder you have that will safely get you there is the CFE. Most run 124-125 grain bullets but many, including me have switched to 115's. If you are going to run plated you probably want the heavy plate concave base Extreme offerings. Some run coated bullets such as BBI but they will smoke some. Small rifle primers are used extensively in 9MAJOR/38 sup because they are harder and hold up to the extreme pressures much better. Too soft a primer and you may end up piercing them or having flow issues. Fed Small rifle are what I use. As for the powder, CFE is acceptable. Burn is similar to WAC so you are talking 7+grains or thereabouts depending on your oal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDPA SO Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Sarge Thank you for your input. i figured I wasnt going to safely make power with the heavy bullets I have. i do have FED small rifle primers so i will use them when I start loading for major. i am guessing the 7 plus would be for the 115 grain loads. I tried my current loads. shoots well----one at a time as i rack the slide every time. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Do a search for CFE loads in the 9mm section. I was pretty close to my Auto comp loads with the same charge weights. For me I load 7.8 for 115's. I was 7.2-3 for 121 IFP's So probably about 7 for 124's. Those were full jackets though so if you run good plated bullets you might be a little less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A63111 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Load data for CFE. Start low and work up. I own, shoot and load for a TruBor, of the components you have listed I would only use the CFE for 9 major. 115 and 124-125 bullets are the normal, WIn and CCI SRP primers. The VV320 will make a nice soft minor load should you wish to try that. The specific bullets used in this test were HAP. I have loaded some 115 and 125 Zero but haven't tested them yet. The author of the article loaded to 1.150 AOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Load data for CFE. Start low and work up. I own, shoot and load for a TruBor, of the components you have listed I would only use the CFE for 9 major. 115 and 124-125 bullets are the normal, WIn and CCI SRP primers. The VV320 will make a nice soft minor load should you wish to try that. The specific bullets used in this test were HAP. I have loaded some 115 and 125 Zero but haven't tested them yet. The author of the article loaded to 1.150 AOL. Why would somebody load to such goofy charge weights. I can dial mine in to exact even numbered loads. Statistically those numbers are much closer than this chart makes them look. Plus it looks like he may have a slightly slower barrel? 115's with 7.8 WAC gets me 172+ and I load out to 1.165 or so. And that is with rock hard MG bullets. More than anything this chart reinforces the fact that not all loads perform the same from one gun to the next and that not all guns are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A63111 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You weigh 10 charges at a time you will get average drops like this. I assume the authore didn't round off anything. His 7.73 of AC to get a 170 power factor is very close to your 172 with 7.8 using AC. As always use the info as a baseline start low and work up. Maybe I just missed it but I have seen very little data for CFE which is one of the few items he has listed that can be used for 9 Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBolt Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 CFE for your powder. My sweet spot using 124gr MG JHP was 7.2gr. I use Fed primers with no issue. The standard plated X-Treme bullets won't handle the velocity of major. Supposedly the heavy plated version is good to 1500 fps. Have not tried them. The Montana Gold jacketed are very accurate and no issues handling the velocity. I load my 124's to 1.165. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If you buy MG by the case, the prices are very close to Xtreme at 500 at a time. And there is no doubt MG is a very good bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDPA SO Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks all for the information regarding my post. It is very much appreciated and I welcome any more information. I am always open to ideas or suggestions for any load development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) The standard plated X-Treme bullets won't handle the velocity of major. Supposedly the heavy plated version is good to 1500 fps This is not necessarily true, on Saturday I was shooting regular plate 115 Xtreme bullets at 1,492fps; I shot CM 99-59 and the 25 yard target had 5 As and 3 close Cs (4 shots were fired free style, 2 strong hand and 2 weak hand), so while I know they have the potential to be accurate at high velocities I still bought some heavy plate bullets from Xtreme and Berry's to compare sometime in the future. If you buy MG by the case, the prices are very close to Xtreme at 500 at a time. And there is no doubt MG is a very good bullet. The case pricing is ~10 cents each for MG, but if you buy 25K+ Xtreme at a time (my local group buys a few hundred thousand per year) they're ~6 cents each. Edited January 26, 2015 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I tested my first CFE loads this weekend and 7.9gr under an Xtreme 115gr @ 1.170" made 171PF in my 5.4" barrel with two 3/16" holes in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDPA SO Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I tested my first CFE loads this weekend and 7.9gr under an Xtreme 115gr @ 1.170" made 171PF in my 5.4" barrel with two 3/16" holes in it. Which one of the Extreme 115 did you use the standard 115 or the HPCB i see they offer both. Assuming they are the RN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 standard plate round nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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