CCP Looks Interesting

[coldchar]

I like it, I have small hands and had to do a grip reduction on my Glock 19 to be able to shoot it adequately. Up to this division I was consigned to a division where the gun was frankly non competitive.

[Dutchman195]

I like it, I have small hands and had to do a grip reduction on my Glock 19 to be able to shoot it adequately. Up to this division I was consigned to a division where the gun was frankly non competitive.

Not to knock it. I would gladly shoot a G19 in ESP if it had a sweet little magwell and some stippling done to it! I din't want to trash my G19C so I shoot it in SSP and do alright for myself with the gun. It is very competitive in the division

[Tom D.]

A division for true Defensive pistols.......not likely to happen, IMO.

[coldchar]

Yep, the problem is due to the cumulative nature of gun modifications allowed . My Glock 19 is a carry gun, modified to fit small hands.

Those truly focused on being competitive in ESP are addting the mag well which adds a fraction of a second, shooting a Glock 17 with another 1/2" of sight radius adding another fraction of a second, on and on. In the end my carry gun , simply modified to fit small hands, cannot compete at the same level as I am fighting the edge on equipment..

Jim

[Woodsk]

CCP is a ridiculous addition. Play the game however you want to play it. we don't need a new division for guns that already fit in an existing division.

[v1911]

Fit but aren't competitive. There's a difference.

While I was for optics, I can see the benefit of this division.

[coldchar]

Using that line of thought the only division would be open.

[DOAFS]

I find it interesting the amount folks that think the class is worthless with the popularity of the xds and shield. People will say there is already a class, really "bug". Where do you shoot that at every month, not mention the other restrictions no reloads and such, that is great for a guy like me that actually uses what I carry. I do shoot IDPA every month with my shield in ESP (frame stippled) obviously at a huge disadvantage against long slide guns, but that didn't matter because for me its been about getting extra time with my carry gear. Fast forward now IDPA has CCP which will be perfect for these short barreled low capacity guns and guys like me who now will able to compete (play the game) on a "level playing field". People participate for various reasons, I find it interesting though that the "gamers" feel everything should be to their liking and who cares about everyone else. I'm looking forward to CCP this year and THANK YOU IDPA. I asked this question on another forum and thread about CCP and got no response, maybe I can get one hear, how many people actually "carry" with an optic on their handgun?

Edited January 26, 2015 by DOAFS

[Dutchman195]

I find it interesting the amount folks that think the class is worthless with the popularity of the xds and shield. People will say there is already a class, really "bug". Where do you shoot that at every month, not mention the other restrictions no reloads and such, that is great for a guy like me that actually uses what I carry. I do shoot IDPA every month with my shield in ESP (frame stippled) obviously at a huge disadvantage against long slide guns, but that didn't matter because for me its been about getting extra time with my carry gear. Fast forward now IDPA has CCP which will be perfect for these short barreled low capacity guns and guys like me who now will able to compete (play the game) on a "level playing field". People participate for various reasons, I find it interesting though that the "gamers" feel everything should be to their liking and who cares about everyone else. I'm looking forward to CCP this year and THANK YOU IDPA. I asked this question on another forum and thread about CCP and got no response, maybe I can get one hear, how many people actually "carry" with an optic on their handgun?

If Glock came out with a G19 or 19C 'MOS' gun I would gladly open carry it with a RMR. Not sure how well it would ride in a holster concealed, but worth a try.

While there are people who shoot IDPA for practice on carry gear, there are also people who shoot it solely for the competition aspect. While I have no problem with a class devoted to single stack pistols, I dont feel that the G19 size guns should be limited to 8 rounds to 'even the playing field' If you choose to carry a gun that only has 8 rounds, then your at a disadvantage in real life and competition to someone who has 10+ rounds. I understand and see both sides of the issue. Its a ever evolving world and its hard to keep any sport up to the most recent and advanced technology.

IDPA was founded on the base that the shooters ability trumps the 'equipment races' and I would argue that a M or DM would shoot a G 17, 19 or 34 to the same ability as a XDs or a Shield on the distances that IDPA targets are set. Along with the same skill set as draws and reloads. Enough practice and you can reload a Shield just as fast as a ESP gun.

[DOAFS]

I find it interesting the amount folks that think the class is worthless with the popularity of the xds and shield. People will say there is already a class, really "bug". Where do you shoot that at every month, not mention the other restrictions no reloads and such, that is great for a guy like me that actually uses what I carry. I do shoot IDPA every month with my shield in ESP (frame stippled) obviously at a huge disadvantage against long slide guns, but that didn't matter because for me its been about getting extra time with my carry gear. Fast forward now IDPA has CCP which will be perfect for these short barreled low capacity guns and guys like me who now will able to compete (play the game) on a "level playing field". People participate for various reasons, I find it interesting though that the "gamers" feel everything should be to their liking and who cares about everyone else. I'm looking forward to CCP this year and THANK YOU IDPA. I asked this question on another forum and thread about CCP and got no response, maybe I can get one hear, how many people actually "carry" with an optic on their handgun?

If Glock came out with a G19 or 19C 'MOS' gun I would gladly open carry it with a RMR. Not sure how well it would ride in a holster concealed, but worth a try.

While there are people who shoot IDPA for practice on carry gear, there are also people who shoot it solely for the competition aspect. While I have no problem with a class devoted to single stack pistols, I dont feel that the G19 size guns should be limited to 8 rounds to 'even the playing field' If you choose to carry a gun that only has 8 rounds, then your at a disadvantage in real life and competition to someone who has 10+ rounds. I understand and see both sides of the issue. Its a ever evolving world and its hard to keep any sport up to the most recent and advanced technology.

IDPA was founded on the base that the shooters ability trumps the 'equipment races' and I would argue that a M or DM would shoot a G 17, 19 or 34 to the same ability as a XDs or a Shield on the distances that IDPA targets are set. Along with the same skill set as draws and reloads. Enough practice and you can reload a Shield just as fast as a ESP gun.

I appreciate what your saying, but disagree ..... if you truly believe that why don't people shoot their G19 instead of the G34, or why make any changes to either and not just shoot them stock? Because the larger frame and longer sight picture make them a lot easier to shoot. Here's the thing and please don't take this personal, you could give Vogel a G34 with 10 round capacity and a G26 with 8 round capacity and have him shoot the same stage and even with his skills he is not shooting the same times, at the very least he's doing another mag change with the G26 which takes time. The clubs I shoot at some times have targets out at 35 yards, so at 35 yards the G19 is no easier then the shield to hit that target with? I get the whole thing about giving yourself every advantage and working the rules, and shooting IDPA for competition. I love competing myself and now with the CCP class I won't be at a disadvantage.