SpeedStick Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Shred, Why did you move the revo reloading info? All the past reloading info is specific to Revolver. The Revolver Forum is probably the smallest and least used. Now that you take away the reloading info, it will be used less. I do not see the need to move the information, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underlug Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Happy New Year Bubba and Speedstick! I totally agree. Why lose revolver information in the morass of .38 super/9mm bottom feeder info? It makes little practical sense. This only detracts from the best revolver information forum on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 It is MY guess that Shred is trying to " catagorize" things and decided this info needed to be else where.... Nothing wrong with using search. HOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I thought about it for a while, but when I go looking for revolver loads, I go look in the reloading section. Especially with 9mm revos and 38 Super revos and .40 revos and 10mm revos and 45 ACP revos, and rifles chambered for 38 LC and autoloaders chambered for 357 Mag, .44 Mag, etc, etc, etc, it could get to be a mess trying to figure out what goes where. There are also a lot of revo loads already posted over there. But.. It's not a problem leaving links here for revo-specific loads & Q's so people looking here only can find them-- post the loads & q's here, I'll move the thread and leave a link. If you really don't like the change, I'll be happy to reconsider (I'd prefer some good reasons why it's a bad idea to boot..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedStick Posted January 2, 2005 Author Share Posted January 2, 2005 Shred, Let me give a couple reasons why I believe you should keep the loading data for the 9mm and 38 super,on the revo page. The loads we us in these revos are usually 120-125 power factor. The loads are developed for accuracy AND the big thing is how clean they leave the cylinders. Something auto's are not as picky about. Most autoloaders, in the above calibers, want loads that generate lots of pressure for the comps while the above loads would barely operate the slides. As far as the 38 long colts and 38 short colts and some 38 special loads, that the cartridge cases are trimmed several thousands. The loads suggested, here in the revo section, are usually not supported in any reloading manual. They are usually much hotter than specs. Guys, I do have my flame suit on! I said USUALLY not supported! I just can not see putting the revolver loads in with the hordes of autoloader data. Why make the revo shooter, especially the new guys, jump through hoops to find a proven load for their revolver. Make it easy to attain this data right here on the revo page, IMHO! Respectfully, Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 The Production and IDPA folks seem to get along fine with the 38-Super shooters and they shoot all sorts of goofy things at 125PF that might not be tyro-safe like resized .357 180gr bullets in 9x19 cases. Personally I'd rather have all the load data in one spot and linked from appropriate other places. What are the issues with leaving links to revo load threads here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Every time we decide to add a forum it's to make relevant information easier to find. The problem with leaving Revolver specific loads here is that there's some revolver specific info already in the reloading forum. It makes little sense to make anyone search two different places for load data. As these forums continue to grow exponentially, we're going to have to learn to rely on the search function more --- and search is faster when it's pointed at one particular forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedStick Posted January 2, 2005 Author Share Posted January 2, 2005 Shred, At this point in time, you do what you want you are the moderator. But ask yourself why they even started a Revolver forum? I thought it was a place where, IDPA, USPSA, ICORE and any "revolver" shooters could come for "any" revolver information. You, the forum adminstration, keep fracturing bits of information to other areas of this web page, isn't a good thing, in my opinion. And at this time it seems I'm the only one disagreeing with the change, so it must be me! Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underlug Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I agree with speedstick. What revolver reloading info did I miss in the reloading section? It would be better if you moved it over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajarrel Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 ...The loads we us(e) in these revos are usually 120-125 power factor.......The loads suggested, here in the revo section, are usually not supported in any reloading manual. They are usually much hotter than specs. Phil, Are you using light loads or hot loads???? No matter. If I want load data I go to the books, get the starting points and develop it myself using the chrono and watching for pressure signs. Lets face it, putting someone elses load together and plugging it into your gun is just like picking up someone elses reloads off the bench and shootin them. It's a crap shoot. To do it right you are going to have to start low and work up. Pet loads? Lets be real here. Your dog may be your best friend but he might like me or he might take my hand off. There has been alot of Forum reorganization lately. For good or ill it's happening. You are taking the right approach going to the mod/admin folks. It doesn't matter to me where it is located in case anyone was interested ....No I didn't think so FWIW dj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'm still accepting thoughts, opinons and complaints.. Mainly I'm hearing that there's some very revolver-specific stuff and some more general stuff, and the preferred place for either is different but drawing a line between them is tough, assuming that makes sense organizationally. I would like to mention that BE and the rest of the moderators did a ton of work a few weeks ago sorting out what was one big glob of reloading data for everything into bullet-diameter subforums, so it shouldn't be nearly such a pain to go look at. Today, the first page of the 9mm/38 subforum covers about a month and a half, with 3 more revo load questions (other than the moved ones) on the first page alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedStick Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 dajarrel, I was talking about light loads in 38 super, 9mm and 38 special. The hotter loads I was speaking of were for 38 short colt & long colt and some people even trimmed 38 special brass and made exotic calibers. I do agree that when you are developing hot loads, for any firearm, it is best to go to the books and start from there. But as far as the light loads in the revos I miss the go ole days, 10 years ago. Between 6 of us we worked on steel loads, light loads, because we trusted each other we went our different ways trying different combination of powders and bullets until we found out what worked best. We shared our information and between us all we came up with good, accurate & clean, loads that worked in all our revos. It is a shame everyone here now has to go back and reinvent the wheel. I don't believe loads for the above caliber revos has changed one iota for 10 years. But new people are working on loads and coming up with stuff that has worked these past ten years. It would be nice if new revo shooters could or would do like the 6 of us use to do, believe in others, but I'm sure that is not possible in this day and age. Shred, One more thought for you. If you think the reloading data shoud be fractioned off you need to look at some of the other posts. I'm sure many posts should go to the gunsmithing forum, the spring forum, the tactic forum and some others. If you did that there would be no Revolver Forum. I've said more in the past two days then I've posted in 2 years. It's time for me to go back to deep lurk mode. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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