Carmoney Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Springy, I don't want to sound unkind here, but why would you even care about this particular topic? You are not a revolver shooter. According to the info on the USPSA website, you have never registered a single classifier in Revolver Division, despite being a USPSA member for more than 12 years. You have never competed at a USPSA Revolver National Championship at any venue, nor have you ever shot Sam's charity match. This year you are signed up to shoot Sam's match, WITH A SINGLE-STACK!?! [edit] Edited October 22, 2012 by Flexmoney tsk tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Look at the numbers for the irc. I don't have an answer as to why icore folks generally don't shoot revolver in uspsa. You would figure they would all own a six shot revo. Maybe there is no secret formula to increase participation at mixed division matches. I expect the revo nats to sell out, I imagine there will be enough closet revo shooters to get it done. I just hope none of the back bone revo folks get left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Maybe the location of the match has something to do with it. The majority of the ICORE shooters are in California and they have the IRC match in California. I'm not a gambler, so Las Vegas as a location has no interest for me. Don't get me wrong. I would have a great time shooting Nationals in Vegas. I wanted to go. I even paid $10 for the Wounded Warrior charity. I am extremely excited about Phil's decision to split up national matches. I hope it is a great success. I am going to do everything I can to attend. On the other hand, if it flops then we know everything we need to know about competing with a revolver. The fact that there were only two B-class shooters and zero C & D class shooters is a bad indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I'm not a gambler, so Las Vegas as a location has no interest for me. Don't get me wrong. I would have a great time shooting Nationals in Vegas. I wanted to go. I'm excited about Phil's changes too, and the idea of a stand-alone Revolver Nats is a great place to start. On the other hand, Vegas is a great place to have a big match. Relatively cheap non-stop flights from pretty much everywhere, tons of lodging and dining options, etc. You don't have to be a gambler--you don't have to stay at a casino. The last couple years I have stayed at a nice motel in a semi-residential area close to the range. If you don't want to do the gambling thing, just look at the strip as part of the skyline off in the distance, and enjoy the desert scenery and great amenities. ICORE is very spotty. There are only a few places in the country where you can shoot it. The IRC gets lots of attendees, but that is in large part because of the awesome prize table. (And this is something for USPSA to keep in mind moving forward.) Hopefully they will find somebody to run the IRC next year, because from what I understand, it's currently in jeopardy of not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagi Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I always wanted to start shooting revo but i do not know where to start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) I have every intention of shooting next years Nationals now that I am retiring my open gun and shooting nothing but revolver. I am not competitive anymore in open due to some physical problems that keep me from running. I can manage a jog and from what I have experienced so far shooting revolver I can be competitive again. Limited rounds make stage break down and accuracy more important than how fast you can run. To me open has become a division that makes foot speed more important than your ability to shoot accurately. I also have a very good friend that will be going also. He has been ill the last few years but received a liver transplant this year and is good as new again.We are both looking foward to competing in USPSA and ICORE matches this year. Edited October 21, 2012 by Jaxshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm not a gambler, so Las Vegas as a location has no interest for me. Don't get me wrong. I would have a great time shooting Nationals in Vegas. I wanted to go. I'm excited about Phil's changes too, and the idea of a stand-alone Revolver Nats is a great place to start. On the other hand, Vegas is a great place to have a big match. Relatively cheap non-stop flights from pretty much everywhere, tons of lodging and dining options, etc. You don't have to be a gambler--you don't have to stay at a casino. The last couple years I have stayed at a nice motel in a semi-residential area close to the range. If you don't want to do the gambling thing, just look at the strip as part of the skyline off in the distance, and enjoy the desert scenery and great amenities. ICORE is very spotty. There are only a few places in the country where you can shoot it. The IRC gets lots of attendees, but that is in large part because of the awesome prize table. (And this is something for USPSA to keep in mind moving forward.) Hopefully they will find somebody to run the IRC next year, because from what I understand, it's currently in jeopardy of not happening. I hear what you are saying. I worked in Las Vegas for six weeks several years ago. I found some great hiking spots and beautiful scenery. I think I know how to greatly enhance the number of revolver shooters. If you win your class at an area match you get a slot regardless of how many entries there were in the match. I won A class in Area 4 last year. There were only three of us. No slot for me. I was top master at A6 this year. I'm sure that I won't get a slot offered to me. There were only two of us. If USPSA announced that the winner of each class was going to get a slot I expect there would be more revolver shooters at area matches. If we increase the participation at Area matches then the nationals will not ever be a problem again. I suspect that EVERY USPSA competitor wants to go to nationals. Often work gets in the way, sometimes we can't afford it, but we always want to go. If bottom feeders thought that national slots were easy pickings by switching to revolver they might do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lora Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Didn't we have this discussion last year about 8 and 6 shooters? The decision to have a Rev and SS, back-to-back nationals is great. A great opportunity for all rev shooters. For new shooters,it's hard to overcome the cost of start up for rev vs. production, which is most likely we lose new to competition shooters. A new production shooter can get started with with a $300 - $450 gun in 9mm ( the least expensive factory ammo). A revolver at best starts at $550 with 38/357 and 625 is $700 or more and ammo 25% more $. Combined with cognitive demands of shooting revolver, any new shooter doing a comparison would say "to he'll with it, I'm going production." Therefore, it seems more revolver shooters are traditionalist and experienced shooters looking for more of a challenge. How to make it easier for the targeted audience is exactly what Phil S. has done by with the 2013 rev/ss nationals. The next item is to make the match easy to get to, central US with big airport hub, easy to drive of fly. Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City, just a few examples. Lastly, prizes, with the smaller numbers, less overall universe of rev shooters (not just comp.), fewer manufactures, and less accessories, we will likely always be less. Revolvers seem more passion than payoff. Lets just try to make it easier for experienced shooters to transition. Perhaps the best is to show up, shoot well and demonstrate how it's done and beat the snot out of as many bottom feeders as you can. And train the RO's that when you reload a revolver like JM (strong hand), the muzzle is straight up they may see the muzzle end but it isn't breaking the 180. First time at nationals and Las Vegas, don't gamble, still beautiful place, hate the range. Nothing but rocks, dust, and unstable footing. I will not return there. At the shooter mtg that only 30 attended. Phil stated he did, or is, offering the next year or two nationals contract up the road to St. George, UT. Edited October 22, 2012 by lora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springy Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Springy, I don't want to sound unkind here, but why would you even care about this particular topic? I am 1/2 of a team that is very devoted to USPSA revolver. I was at the '10 Memphis running a camera, the '11 Memphis in L-10, and signed up for SS this year (right after we finish the Indiana Factory Gun match), and am not eligible for anything except grabbing the teams moons before someone steps on them. I build all the guns, do all the upgrades and smithing on the teams wheel guns, and all the research to make them even better as information becomes available. I load all the ammo, including some hotrod specials for the older guns. I've probably got more time, effort, experience and knowledge than a whole lot of revo shooters, and I kinda enjoy the fact that I've never shot a stage with a wheel gun of any kind. And to help understand even more where I'm coming from, the other half of the team (Cheryl) makes it very rewarding for me to support revolver shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Springy, I don't want to sound unkind here, but why would you even care about this particular topic? I am 1/2 of a team that is very devoted to USPSA revolver. I was at the '10 Memphis running a camera, the '11 Memphis in L-10, and signed up for SS this year (right after we finish the Indiana Factory Gun match), and am not eligible for anything except grabbing the teams moons before someone steps on them. I build all the guns, do all the upgrades and smithing on the teams wheel guns, and all the research to make them even better as information becomes available. I load all the ammo, including some hotrod specials for the older guns. I've probably got more time, effort, experience and knowledge than a whole lot of revo shooters, and I kinda enjoy the fact that I've never shot a stage with a wheel gun of any kind. And to help understand even more where I'm coming from, the other half of the team (Cheryl) makes it very rewarding for me to support revolver shooting. You forgot to mention that there are treats in your car after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I always wanted to start shooting revo but i do not know where to start... 1. Get a Revolver, and... 2. MAKE READY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If bottom feeders thought that national slots were easy pickings by switching to revolver they might do it too. Rob from Peter to pay Paul? It's not hard to get into the Nationals. (though I do think the slots system needs work) Next year, having the Revo match with the Single Stack match...I am hoping it works out that I can shoot both. I have shot neither, in the past. That is real growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If bottom feeders thought that national slots were easy pickings by switching to revolver they might do it too. Rob from Peter to pay Paul? It's not hard to get into the Nationals. (though I do think the slots system needs work) Next year, having the Revo match with the Single Stack match...I am hoping it works out that I can shoot both. I have shot neither, in the past. That is real growth. I don't think that SS slots will be easier to get, but by splitting up the matches there should be more slots available for each individual match. Am I thinking all wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Flex you can squad with Elizabeth and I !!!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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