Vincerama Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 OK, so say there are 60 guys shooting a match, shooting all different guns in different divisions. I understand that you can shoot the best in the division and really, you are the best with those equipment rules. But the overall match winner ... is that just pure score/time, regardless of division? So if a guy has an open gun with optics and 25 round magazines, if divisions are ignored, won't he pretty much always beat the Single Stack guy with his 8 round mags and iron sights? yes, of course there are those guys that shoot revolvers faster than some guys with open guns, but in general, if you don't take divisions into account, how is the "overall winner" really the overall winner? Or am I missing something because I'm a newb and barely understand all the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 There are no recognized Overall winners in USPSA. People just use the word because it sounds good. You are only competing within your division. This applies to USPSA only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 There are no recognized Overall winners in USPSA. People just use the word because it sounds good. You are only competing within your division. This applies to USPSA only. From this weeks SCC Edwin Garcia received High Overall Match Champion. So now I am confused if you say there is no award for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Stoeger Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 They just calculate the scores without regard to division. The award is obviously pretty meaningless.... unless it goes to someone that is not in Open Division. I guess a guy winning with a revolver would be pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosshooter00 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I'm a bit confused on that myself. At every big match I've been to, there is always an overall winner, usually the top open shooter. I saw Nils win one with limited, but he seems to be the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Red your rule book. USPSA does not recognize Overalls. Though match directors at level 1 and 2 matches can do as they please.I think it's a bit misleading. As for the Space City trophies, they are for the division winners, not the match winner. In this case the Open Division winner is a Master(cough, cough)so he wins 1st master and open division, then there is the 1st GM, 2nd GM, 1st A, 2, A, etc..... Divisions do not compete against other divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincerama Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 Ah, OK, so that makes more sense that it's just like an honorary thing. But then, how do you determine the best hit factor percentage? One guy will always have the highest score, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Only in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseywales Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Look at it as each Division being its own match. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Red your rule book. USPSA does not recognize Overalls. Though match directors at level 1 and 2 matches can do as they please.I think it's a bit misleading. As for the Space City trophies, they are for the division winners, not the match winner. In this case the Open Division winner is a Master(cough, cough)so he wins 1st master and open division, then there is the 1st GM, 2nd GM, 1st A, 2, A, etc..... Divisions do not compete against other divisions. Typically you don't win the division and 1st in your class. If you when Open then you don't also get first M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ah, OK, so that makes more sense that it's just like an honorary thing. But then, how do you determine the best hit factor percentage? One guy will always have the highest score, right? Overall score covering all divisions is figured the same way it is within division, your hit factor compared to the winner of the stage. That is why it is not an official deal, hard for guys that are doing 3x the reloads and shooting minor to get that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Look at it as each Division being its own match. . Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Look at it as each Division being its own match. . Precisely. +1. If you are the show me the numbers type person, here's an example: Look at the match results at this match for Open, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Open&stage=1&guntype=Pistol Limited, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Limited&stage=1&guntype=Pistol Limited 10, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Limited%2010&guntype=Pistol Production, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Production&stage=1&guntype=Pistol Single Stack, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Single%20Stack&stage=1&guntype=Pistol Revolver, Stage 1: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4410&division=Revolver&stage=1&guntype=Pistol Notice that somebody with highest hit factor in that division always got 100% at each stage and that person got all the points for that stage. Everybody else got fractions of the stage points base on their hit factor. Each shooter adds up their stage points to make up their match points. He/She who has the most match points for a given division wins. If you are curious about how the combined overall results are computed, you can look at something like this: http://combinedresults.info/index.php/stage/22831 Notice that a Production shooter managed to get 100% for that stage! Everybody else got fractions based on his hit factor. Following the same routine, add up all the stage points to get match points. Since doing this kind of comparison is unofficial, this is more for bragging rights, while the official results are always based on competitions within a division instead of across divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGMorden Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 At major matches its pretty much exclusively broken down by division. If you're shooting Production you see your scores for Production division. If you're shooting Open you see them for Open. The two are never compared against each other there. At smaller local matches you frequently see scores for all the divisions combined, and in that setting I like it that way. The local clubs that do awards for match performance still break it down by division and class, but at smaller matches there might only be 2 or 3 (or even 1) people in some divisions, and seeing scores for groups that small is kind of boring. Even as a production shooter I kind of like seeing how well I score against the open and limited guys. I will admit though that a few times since I'm looking at my scores against them anyways, I've been tempted to just declare Limited Minor and run with extended basepads for a few matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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