Misterbrooks Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Anyone here of a recent ruling that allows for an 8-Shot with bobbed hammer to be considered legal when shooting production? Given recent allowances for the semi autos to have internal / non visible modifications one could assume bobbing a wheelguns hammer would only serve the same advantage given the semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I was actually emailing James about this same topic yesterday as I am getting a 627 which I intend on using in production. I can't see it being a big competitive advantage just keeps me from getting my hand pinched if I grab too high. Something tells me we will not have a problem with sub 2# trigger pulls anytime soon. Lol. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Keep us posted on this if you find out anything. I asked this a while back and NO bobbed hammers or extended cylinder release was what I was told. Maybe they changed it recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Nothing has changed, that I an aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Nothing has changed, that I an aware of. That's my understanding as well. I have shot my bobbed 627 in prod at local matches though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAustin Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) The real question here is, Did Smith and Wesson make a N frame bobbed hammer in the last 100+ years? And then does frame size matter as i have a K frame factory bobbed. yes to both of these questions would include bobbed hammer into production with out question. James Edited February 12, 2012 by JAustin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Good point, although I don't think the factory ever issued a bobbed hammer in an N-frame, and I'm virtually certain they never put one in an N-frame. Another thing to keep in mind is that factory-style bobbing is one thing, and the cut down hammers are quite another. My read of USPSA and Bianchi Production rules is that hammers and triggers must not have any mods that are externally visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) I know what the rule says, but with my high grip, I keep getting pinched by the hammer despite it being the PC teardrop one. I am thinking of taking the spur off mine since I will only shoot club level matches with it and will probably not be hassled about it. Is that cheating if you are not doing it for a competitive advantage just an ergonomic one? Lee Edited March 6, 2012 by Mitch_Rapp.45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp100man Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Good point, although I don't think the factory ever issued a bobbed hammer in an N-frame, and I'm virtually certain they never put one in an N-frame. Another thing to keep in mind is that factory-style bobbing is one thing, and the cut down hammers are quite another. My read of USPSA and Bianchi Production rules is that hammers and triggers must not have any mods that are externally visible. Maybe skeletonizing the hammer would be okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsydlooknin75 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I know what the rule says, but with my high grip, I keep getting pinched by the hammer despite it being the PC teardrop one. I am thinking of taking the spur off mine since I will only shoot club level matches with it and will probably not be hassled about it. Is that cheating if you are not doing it for a competitive advantage just an ergonomic one? Lee What's the next cheat you want to do because its only a club level match? Play by all the rules or pick a different division to play in. Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedale Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Good point, although I don't think the factory ever issued a bobbed hammer in an N-frame, and I'm virtually certain they never put one in an N-frame. Another thing to keep in mind is that factory-style bobbing is one thing, and the cut down hammers are quite another. My read of USPSA and Bianchi Production rules is that hammers and triggers must not have any mods that are externally visible. I researched this a year or two ago. I could find examples of factory bobbed hammers in K frame but zero factory bobbed N frames. It is a pretty clear no go for the bobbed 627. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Looks like limited minor or park the gun all together then. The way things are looking, I may be selling t anyway.I'll know more about that Thursday. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I know what the rule says, but with my high grip, I keep getting pinched by the hammer despite it being the PC teardrop one. I am thinking of taking the spur off mine since I will only shoot club level matches with it and will probably not be hassled about it. Is that cheating if you are not doing it for a competitive advantage just an ergonomic one? Lee What's the next cheat you want to do because its only a club level match? Play by all the rules or pick a different division to play in. Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk I don't think my point really came across correctly - I'll restate. While using a revolver in production, any grips you want are allowed and there is no restriction put on where the ammo can be - these certainly offer a competitive advantage. The hammer spur being taken off of a revolver with a 8# trigger offers virtually no advantage aside from not hurting the palm of my hand. Perhaps the modifications list could be revised to reflect this. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I know what the rule says, but with my high grip, I keep getting pinched by the hammer despite it being the PC teardrop one. I am thinking of taking the spur off mine since I will only shoot club level matches with it and will probably not be hassled about it. Is that cheating if you are not doing it for a competitive advantage just an ergonomic one? Lee What's the next cheat you want to do because its only a club level match? Play by all the rules or pick a different division to play in. Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk I don't think my point really came across correctly - I'll restate. While using a revolver in production, any grips you want are allowed and there is no restriction put on where the ammo can be - these certainly offer a competitive advantage. The hammer spur being taken off of a revolver with a 8# trigger offers virtually no advantage aside from not hurting the palm of my hand. Perhaps the modifications list could be revised to reflect this. Lee I agree Lee don't see it being as much a advantage to have a bobbed hammer as the ammo placement or grip rules. The revolver is still at a big disavantage in prod. with 8 vs 10 rounds and slower reloads. I would love to shoot prod. minor with my 627 and would really like to see if I shot it with a dot sight to see if it even things out some. I THINK the dot would make it closer to a even match, making up for the 2 lost rounds and slower reloads. I did say closer still not even. I'm not asking for rule changes just dreaming a little. You can buy a 627 and put a 8" barrel on it, put big butt grips on it but can't touch the hammer spur? Seems a little strange but realistically only a very few shooters would be affected by this. Maybe even just you and me:) Ok maybe a few more than that. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lee if I understand the production class rules right if your gun has a internal lock from the factory it must still be functional. All the one I bobbed the hammer on I had to remove the lock as it would catch on the hammer. If you just cut the spur off you might be alright but a full on bob job will require removing lock. I guess its a moot point as the bobbed hammer isn't legal anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lee if I understand the production class rules right if your gun has a internal lock from the factory it must still be functional. All the one I bobbed the hammer on I had to remove the lock as it would catch on the hammer. If you just cut the spur off you might be alright but a full on bob job will require removing lock. I guess its a moot point as the bobbed hammer isn't legal anyway. What lock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Your gun may not have it, the lock is a hole above the cylinder release that a key fits into that locks the hammer from moving. The safety police decided we needed a lock to keep us safe. I don't know when they started doing it maybe 10 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Of my 15 or so revolvers, only my 617 has that. I thought you were talking about the drop safety. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lee if I understand the production class rules right if your gun has a internal lock from the factory it must still be functional. All the one I bobbed the hammer on I had to remove the lock as it would catch on the hammer. If you just cut the spur off you might be alright but a full on bob job will require removing lock. I guess its a moot point as the bobbed hammer isn't legal anyway. You're thinking of IDPA, I do believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lee if I understand the production class rules right if your gun has a internal lock from the factory it must still be functional. All the one I bobbed the hammer on I had to remove the lock as it would catch on the hammer. If you just cut the spur off you might be alright but a full on bob job will require removing lock. I guess its a moot point as the bobbed hammer isn't legal anyway. You're thinking of IDPA, I do believe. This is cut and paste from USPSA production rules, I may not be reading them right but it reads like all factory safetys have to work. 22- Specifically prohibited modifications and features Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division. Removing or disabling firing-pin blocks or any other factory safety mechanism in Production division is specifically prohibited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now