Alaskapopo Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 There is a match coming up at the end of the month and one of the proposed stages has 2 bonus targets that are 8 inch disks. 1 at 400 yards and 1 at 500 yards. How many shots would you alot for each steel in the advent of a miss before stopping. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 What is the bonus worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 What is the bonus worth? Not sure I think its just worth 5 points. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 How many points is the stage worth? (we're talking USPSA, so it's not as simple as 100, 125, 150) I would probably not even waste the time shooting at it if it were only 5 points and being a bonus should not incur a FTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Personally I would waste zero rounds on it regardless of the points. My chances of hitting it are basically nill so not worth it to me to waste time or ammo on something Im not gonna hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Exactly what Bryan said. A well aimed shot on that small of a target at 400 & 500 isn't going to be quick. I think a good rule of thumb for any long range rifle is 5 shots then go. That bonus stuff has to be a 4:1 return for me to even try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Does USPSA scoring even support "bonus" targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Does USPSA scoring even support "bonus" targets? I'd have to go reread the pages and pages of rules to state the exact way it goes but we had a couple of bonus clay targets at the Arkansas Section Multi Gun last fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 USPSA does not have "bonus" targets. You can run enhanced value targets, but then a miss is double those points. Flying birds can be doubled, from 10 to 20 points. If you run Time Plus, the enhanced values seem to go away. One of the things I am going to be asking my AD to propose is specifically allowing enhanced value targets in Time Plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 USPSA does not have "bonus" targets. You can run enhanced value targets, but then a miss is double those points. Flying birds can be doubled, from 10 to 20 points. If you run Time Plus, the enhanced values seem to go away. One of the things I am going to be asking my AD to propose is specifically allowing enhanced value targets in Time Plus. Thanks Marko now I can talk to the match director and let him know. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You could call it a disappearing target. That would in effect be the same as a bonus target. Just don't concern yourself over trivial matters that it doesn't actually disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) You could call it a disappearing target. That would in effect be the same as a bonus target. Just don't concern yourself over trivial matters that it doesn't actually disappear. Then, I guess that would be true for the whole match ETA: Actually, with my eyesight, disappearing would be a pre-existing condition! Edited May 10, 2011 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 You could call it a disappearing target. That would in effect be the same as a bonus target. Just don't concern yourself over trivial matters that it doesn't actually disappear. I just told him what I learned here and that was one of his solutions was to call it a disappearing target. (but it really doesn't.) I would rather just score it normally. Its the same for everyone, yes they will be hard to hit but that is part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I would say you will have alot not even bother shooting at it. I know I would pop one round in the general area to "engage it". 2MOA at 400 and sub 2 at 500 is pushing what alot of rifles used are gonna do without a rest. I know personally I would have zero chance of hitting it at 500 so why waste the time to get the hit. Ill take the penalty and use the half second to lob one in the vacinity of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I would say you will have alot not even bother shooting at it. I know I would pop one round in the general area to "engage it". 2MOA at 400 and sub 2 at 500 is pushing what alot of rifles used are gonna do without a rest. I know personally I would have zero chance of hitting it at 500 so why waste the time to get the hit. Ill take the penalty and use the half second to lob one in the vacinity of it Just to pile on a little. IF you make it an Enhanced value target, you force people to try at least one shot at it in order to avoid a FTE. IF you make it a bonus or disappearing target, you are really only penalizing the shooters from about 60% on down. The experienced and skilled shooters will know if they can hit it or not and then a few might, but most won't. The newer, less expereinced shooter will lock in an try to get the hit. On most rifle targets, 3 rounds and MOVE, no matter what. Past that, you are trading the "I hope I get a hit" for time, most times you will lose. Moral of the story is make stages that the 50% shooter can shoot completely instead of taking miss penalites on purpose. 3 to 4 MOA is about the smallest you should be on a decent 3 gun stage. If you drop to 3 MOA, you had better be 200 yards and in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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