RDunn Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) Hello i had a question on barney loading you mag. i shoot a g34 and i usually choose not to barney my mags. well i got a procedural today for it. i always thought barney loading was optional. i looked thru the rule book but couldnt find it in there. now i have only been doing this sport for 2 months, so i could be wrong. the reason i was told i got the procedural is because i wasnt at division capacity for the stage. i argued that my gun was at division capacity that all my mags had 10 rounds in them. but it was to no avail. now only loading 10 rounds in my mag didnt help or hurt me as far as the cof was concerned. there was 6 targets on the cof and all needed 2 shots. so rather i had 10 or 11 rounds in the gun it still needed a reload. i was just wondering if someone can point me in the direction of the rule on this. because untill today i always thought barneying your mag/gun was optional. once again i am kinda of new so thanks in advance. im just trying to learn more about the sport that i have come to love. Edited May 8, 2011 by Duane Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 I am not sure exactly what you did, it is not that clear. At the buzzer all mags must have 10 rounds and one in the chamber unless the mechanical capacity is less than 10 rounds then all magfa must be loaded to that amount. However you achieve that is up to you, some load a mag with 11 some use a barney mag, and some take a 10 rounder , load then take that mag out and top it off. If you started the stage with only 9 in the mag and 1 in the chamber then that is a procedural. ****All the above applies to SSP/ESP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) What Brian said. Gotta be at 10+1 at the buzzer, not 9+1. Koski Rulebook page 10 (competition rules): C 15. Pistols must start from the mechanical condition of readiness appropriate to their design and be loaded to division capacity (See Appendix One Equipment, Firearms for division capacity explanation). High capacity magazines must be loaded to full division capacity of the division the contestant is shooting in. Page 19 (SSP rules): G. Be loaded to the division capacity of ten (10) rounds in the magazine plus one (1) round in the chamber. Should division capacity not be achievable because of lower magazine capacity, load to maximum mechanical capacity of magazine plus one (1) round in the chamber. Edited May 7, 2011 by Steve Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankfan79 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 This happens alot on limited or standard stages. It is still a procedural if you DON'T load to division capacity. Always load to capacity and you will never have that problem. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Put 11 in the first mag, done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Just make sure that "first" mag is first only on loaded-gun starts. I saw two people use 11-rounders on an unloaded table start at a sanctioned match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I was going to say that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 The best is when your friend barney loads to his 11 round mag and shoots a 12 round COF without a reload. Then he looks at the SO like WTF just happened? We were rolling. Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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