spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Is there one? If so, is it legal to put one on my shadow for production division? If so, where can I find one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 czcustom.com - look under the parts area to find the wide safeties and standard safeties. what are you trying to do? you can only run both sides wide or both sides standard, and they both use different sear cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 after reading your post again, i assume you're trying to change to a single side safety and dropping the ambi. i don't know if that's production legal, but you would need to change your sear cage. the ambi wide safety, ambi standard, and single side safety sear cages are all different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yes, trying to go to left side only if legal. Changing the sear cage isn't a big deal, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 not a big deal unless you have a fancy tight tolerance race trigger. again, i don't know the legality... but the gaping hole on the right hand side might raise a couple eyebrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 I don't care if it raises eyebrows so much as it doesn't raise me to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm more afraid that you'll be called for disabling of an external safety. I'm on my phone so I can't quote the rulebook at the moment. Appendix D-something for production division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 I'm more afraid that you'll be called for disabling of an external safety. I'm on my phone so I can't quote the rulebook at the moment. Appendix D-something for production division. I don't see how that could be valid since the safety is still enabled and is still on the left side of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinSC Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I keep reading the Appx D4 and going back and forth between yes you can, and no you can't. Per Appx D4 #22.1: Disabling of any external safety or externally operated safety - Remains in effect – external- and externally operated safety mechanisms must remain operable. By simply making it a Left side only safety, you are still satisfying this rule because it still functions as a safety. However, further down is this: "For purposes of this clause, the prohibition on “disabling” means that you may NOT modify an external safety mechanism in any way that affects its function as a safety per the OEM design." Since the safety cannot be applied from the right side, does this fall into the "affects its function as a safety per the OEM design"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 an RO can argue that you removed the ability to engage the safety from the right hand side of the gun. this may be a good thread for the laywer area of the forum? Appendix D4.22.2: Disabling of any external safety or externally operatedsafety. to defend yourself, you can say that the safety is a manual sear block that is externally operated. since it is still possible to externally engage it from the left hand side, it is still legal. remember that production division has these rules as well: Appendix D4.21 - Authorized modifications(Strictly limited to these items and their stated guidelines) and Special conditions — Unless specifically authorized above, modifications are prohibited. Exceptfor Item 7, revolvers are subject to all restrictions above. Since it is not listed in D4.21 under what is 'strictly limited', if could fall under the special condition of being a non-authorized modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I keep reading the Appx D4 and going back and forth between yes you can, and no you can't. Per Appx D4 #22.1: Disabling of any external safety or externally operated safety - Remains in effect – external- and externally operated safety mechanisms must remain operable. By simply making it a Left side only safety, you are still satisfying this rule because it still functions as a safety. However, further down is this: "For purposes of this clause, the prohibition on “disabling” means that you may NOT modify an external safety mechanism in any way that affects its function as a safety per the OEM design." Since the safety cannot be applied from the right side, does this fall into the "affects its function as a safety per the OEM design"? glenn and i are on the same page. i would be inclined to say that you have disabled the ability to engage the safety from the right hand side of the gun. additionally, you have performed a non-authorized modification by removing a factory part and not replacing it with a similar factory part. changing safeties is a specifically authorized modification, but removing one is not specifically authorized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 What about just grinding down the right-side safety by a 2 or 3 grooves? This way, the safety is mostly out of the way, but it can be operated, albeit with more effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 IMO the safety is not disabled. I don't see any difference than taking a 1911 that has ambi-safeties and putting on a single side. However, my concern is being in line with production rules. My question (assumption) is that if there is a CZ 75 (or SP-01) that has a left side only safety than it should be legal. Hence the thread. If it's not legal/doesn't exist then I won't mess with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i agree with you to a certain extent, spanky... however i am looking at it in an objective manner. this isn't single stack, where 1911s are sold with both single side and ambi. right now, the model you have is "SP-01" and no SP-01 models are single side. and no, grinding down the safety is not authorized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 That's the kind of view I'm looking for. And yes, there is no intention of grinding down the safety at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 +1. sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 because of the hole on the rhs safety that the lever fits into..the safety on that side would be unsupported and allow the sear cage to wobble a little which would change the engagement of the sear and hammer. it might be possible to weld up the sides of the housing so the fit is tighter, but would think under recoil since the ejection round hits the sear housing, it would still be moving. only way would be to build a plug to support the shaft, but then you could arguably be making an external modification. are you just looking to get slim down the extend safety? might try the ambi set out of the 75B .40 or similar which are the smaller rounded ones. No just saying: if the rhs of the safety was supported without any modification. you are able to switch parts from one production legal gun to another legal gun. shouldn't be an issue to take a saftey from a 75B and put in a Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 looks like the rami has a left side only safety and still has a hole on the right side. still leaves questions as to whether it will work and if it's production legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I recently threw this: My link and this: My link on my Shadow, and it's a night-and-day difference. No more knocking the safety on accidentally, and a whole new world of real estate opened up on the support side. It took a tiny bit of fitting, but it was well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 That figures, I ordered one of these. http://czcustom.com/ShadowSafetyLHS29B.aspx Gonna email CZCustom to see if I can swap it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 You know, the more I think about it, the more I can't see why changing to a left side only safety (or a smaller safety from a non-SP01 model) wouldn't be legal. You can put a G34 magazine or slide release on a G17. The only commonality is that they are the same brand. They are obviously not the same model. How is that any different than putting a CZ75 or whatever it may be safety on a Shadow? I understand there may still be a question of deactivating a safety but I honestly think that is pulling straws. My concern is from a parts-swapping standpoint. I've got 4 or 5 matches through my Shadow and I still am having issues adjusting. I hate to have to dump it and go back to the 34 (but I will if necessary) but the Shadow has been kicking my butt lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Alright, John Amidon confirmed my thoughts on swapping safeties. Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OEM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OEM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. Which means the safety can come from any CZ and... You are correct, you are not disabling the safety by making it a single sided safety. So that leads me to my original question; Is there a safety that's on a CZ that's on the Production list that is left side only and will physically work in the Shadow? Preferably without modification that would make returning it to stock not possible? Edited February 21, 2011 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Sorry..I don't have all the parts in front from me. best I can recall from looking a couple of photos. No. the RHS safety is fitted into the frame. when it is removed it leave about a 1/4 hole in the frame where it fits. to run a LHS safety only the shafte would fit through the sear housing and be left unsupported at the end. if I recall my parts correctly you could run the lower profile SP01 RHS safety instead of the Shadow safety http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-0420038418/Safety-Right-75-Sp01.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Jeremy...any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayd Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Jeremy...any update? He may have lost interest, as he sold his Shadow.....(to me, woot!) Thanks again Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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