Gary Stevens Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 I read a post on the 1911 forum about a fellow who had purchased a thousand 185 gr. jacketed hollow base round nose 45 bullets. I tried to send him an e-mail, but can't get logged in. Now I don't know if his post is correct or not, but has anyone ever seen such a 45 bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Hi Gary, I used them for awhile. Berry's Manufacturing http://www.berrysmfg.com/ has a hollow based 185 grain round nosed .45. It has the same profile as a 230 grain, hence the hollow base. I shot several thousand and had no problems with them. It is a plated, not jacketed bullet, but I am told at .45 velocities there should be no separation. Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ive tried the Berry's as well. Loaded to major PF they dish out quite a beating in all of my guns! The recoil is just too great to be practical so I gave away the balance of what I had. What purpose were you considering them for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 12, 2004 Author Share Posted March 12, 2004 My idea was to load them to minor power factor for IDPA use. They only require 125,000 PF and the 185 round nose would maintain the reloading ability I am already used to. It should be a pussy cat to shoot. Thanks much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Geek Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ok, This intrigues me. What division are you shooting? What gun? Revolver maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 12, 2004 Author Share Posted March 12, 2004 Well I haven't got a classification in anything yet but SSP, but the idea would work in anything except CDP since it requires a 165,000 PF. I always just use the 230 FMJ for that level PF. However if you wanted to shoot your trusty 45 in the other divisions, such as ESP or SSP where the PF is at 125,000 I would think the 185 loaded to minor would be very nice. You might have to work on your recoil spring to find out what will work with the reduced load, but it shouldn't be a big problem. Yes, I was working this up for the revolver, a 625 Smith & Wesson. The profile of the bullet would give me the reload ability of the round nose bullet, and the weight would allow me to shoot a 130 PF (always allow a little fudge factor) at 702 FPS. Maybe I can make Master with the revolver. That would be a hoot Might even scare me. Should be a real nice load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Geek Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 I thought about going the ESP route with a Kimber 5". Problem is that every gun there has a 10 round mag. Most 1911s with a 10rd mag won't fit in "the box". Many stages seem to require 10 or 11 rounds, so you're often doing reloads when the other guys are not. Which means you're out of the running. The revolver idea seems pretty cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Geek Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 BTW: We (Central Kentucky Sport Shooters, www.ckss.org) will be shooting the classifier in April (the 11th) Bluegrass Sportsmans League (BGSL, http://rledwards.home.att.net/index_m.htm) will be shooting the Classifer in March (the 20th). Come on down and get a label! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Gary, I've been loading the West Coast 200 grain plated round nose with enough Clays to make minor in .45 for SSR. You could shoot 45 in SSP but ESP is non 45 ACP only. Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 13, 2004 Author Share Posted March 13, 2004 Heck NO! I shoot my Para LDA 9mm in SSP. I was just answering the previous question that you could shoot minor with the 185 and probably have a very soft shooting gun. Would be pretty neat if that was your only gun. Of course if that is your only gun, you need to get a second job so you can buy more guns I want to get a good revolver set up worked out so I can give you a run for your money sometime. Boy, I would like to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Gun Geek - You are more than welcome to use my 10rd ESP Gun - But I can not be held responsible for any resulting Classification Bump Hope the Match is Smooth Sunday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Geek Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Clyde: Wouldn't dream of shooting anything but CDP!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 I use a 185gr JHP from Zero in a Para P13. I have used, 4.7gr Clays for 900fps. 4.9gr = 945fps 5.1gr Titegroup for 895fps or to make sure 5.3gr for 930fps Also look at 6.0gr 231 = 920fps 6.6gr WSF = 960fps 5.5gr VV N320 = 900fps, They shoot quite well at around the 900-925fps. But as you get to 170pf the muzzle can be a little quick. Not high or rolling but snappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Gary, It is my understanding that the purpose you outline is the exact reason the bullet was developed. And yes, it is a real soft shooter. It is also very cool for use in ICORE for those with 625s and no need to exceed the threshold of 120PF. What will cause trouble is when someone loads it to appear to be a 230, and shoots it as Major at a club that doesn't pull bullets to weigh them. But, we keep an open pit at our club for such transgressors. (With shovels ready, at the edge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 The other problem is when you declare the correct weight and chrono to 163 like I did at the Kentucky State last year........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 17, 2004 Author Share Posted March 17, 2004 I've always heard honesty was it's own reward. That being said, powder is cheap, relatively speaking. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Maybe your luck will be better this year I scared myself to death in Virginia one time by getting some different bullet weights mixed up in my shooting bag. All were loaded to major for their bullet weight, but made it real interesting when it came to chronographing. Luckily I had 3 of the 180 grain in the mix to shoot across the chronograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 I am sure to do better this time! I have gone to 230 grain bullets and purchased a chrono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumpy McSoo Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Gary,I've been loading the West Coast 200 grain plated round nose with enough Clays to make minor in .45 for SSR. You could shoot 45 in SSP but ESP is non 45 ACP only. Bill Nesbitt Bill, You can shoot .45 ACP in ESP. You can shoot a Glock 21 .45 ACP in SSP, ESP, and CDP. Later, Lumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) The Berry's 185 HBRN are a whoot to play with. I used to shoot them for steel when it was too cold to shoot pins at the local matches and loved them. I want to say I was using about 5.3 grains of HP-38 and it was running my full weight 1911 slide without trouble *although an 8 pound spring helped lol* Hodgdon has some very helpful data on their web site. Note: Because of the hollow base of the bullet you will need the extra little bit of powder because of the increased case volume, the hollow base really affected the loading data for me. Joe W. Edited December 2, 2008 by joecichlid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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