SRT Driver Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 It's over..for now. Here they are! http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?url=http://ww...mpete/index.asp Scroll down to rule changes. Click on the link. Find Action Pistol in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Well Smoove J, guess that whole idea of makin Master is done. Great way to encourage the sport. ~mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_SRT Driver Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 You'll get it. Go out to Jimmies and shoot the Practical and plates at 50. Once you get that, the rest should be cake!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 speaking of that, when do matches at Jimmy's start, I'm getting antsy Kimberkid = mike o. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Donde esta "Jimmy's"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Jefferson Twp. Rifle and Pistol Club in Winimac, Indiana - 2nd site for NRA AP matches in Indiana (we're lucky, very lucky) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 (edited) Ah! Winimac! I'll go with you if it doesn't conflict with something more important! I'm not sure whether or not time has colored my memories, but I think I really enjoyed shooting that AP match at Wildcat last year. I want to do some more! I know I can do better on the plates and I guarantee I'll do better on the barricades and practical. I was ahppy with how I did on the mover, but I think I can do better there too, just because I know what to expect now. Methinks I'll be the only one with 190PF loads again. Edited January 23, 2004 by rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actionpistolbob Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 The only Action Pistol match scheduled at the Winamac range for 2004 is the Indiana State Action Pistol match in May. Jim Reinholt is not in good health and has had to cut back on the number of matches he holds at his range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 If anyone here gets to Jim's, please pass on our good wishes from here in New Zealand. We had a ball up at his place in 2003, tell him to keep the MP5 warm for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Bob - thanks for the info, I was wondering about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Minute Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Can anyone help with a clarification of the 2004 Rules that I have post in part below. I hope to be shooting in the Bianchi Cup for the first time in May. I have tried to get answers elsewhere, and searching in this Forum, but nothing yet. I am hoping someone here can elaborate. I want to shoot in the Stock Class and am confused with the new Production Class. Is this just a way of grouping similar guns together within the newly broadened Stock Class (rule 3.2)? I will probably be shooting an Edge 5.0 in .40. Looks like it will fit in Rule 3.2. My question in whether the "optical sights" mentioned in 3.2.b. refer to "fiber optic" sights? If so, looks like I need to stick with a more standard front post. Does Rule 3.5 mean that the sponsor can override the sight limitations in 3.2 and 3.2.1 and allow fiber optics? Thanks in advance for any help you all have!! 3. FIREARMS, EQUIPMENT AND 3.2 Metallic Sight Firearm - Minimum caliber is 9x19mm (9mm); a semiautomatic firearm with no more than a 6 1/4-inch barrel length. The front sight not to extend past the front of the slide and the rear sight not past the rear of the slide by 1/4-inch. A Revolver’s barrel will not exceed 8 5/8 inches in length; the front sight not to extend past the front of the barrel and the rear sight will not extend past the rear of the frame. The following items are prohibited: (a) Wings. ( Peep, ghost, optical or electronic sights. © Orthopedic grips - no part of the grip may encircle the hand. (d) Thumb rests. (e) Compensators or ported barrels. 3.2.1 Production Firearm - A semi-automatic handgun or revolver which is or has been a catalogue item readily available to the general public equipped with metallic sights. Custom-shop pistols are not allowed. The firearm shall have no visible external modifications except as follows: (a) Replacement or modification of grips to fit a competitors hand or facilitate loading. No part of the grip may encircle the hand. Thumb rests are prohibited. ( Wide "target" style hammers and triggers. © Checkering and stippling are allowed. (d) Replacement of factory metallic sights with those of another manufacturer. (e) External finishes, either protective or decorative , or other non-functional embellishments such as engraving, inlays, or inscriptions. 3.3 All Types of Pistols Will Compete Together-The same conditions of time, distance, or scoring shall apply to all firearm types equally. When Centerfire and Rimfire Firearms are allowed in the same tournament separate aggregate awards must be provided. A sponsor may recognize Rule 3.2 Stock Firearms and 3.2.1 Production Firearms by providing a separate award(s), or may restrict a tournament to only these firearms. Any such conditions must be stated in the Official Program. 3.5 Sight Restrictions-Sponsor must state one of the options in the program: (a) There shall be no restrictions on sights, sight radius, or length of barrel. ( Optical sights of any type are prohibited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 LM, Fiber Optic front sights are legal for the Metallic Sight division. Several other shooters, including TGO use(ed) them. Fiber optics are considered metallic sights "of the notch and post type", to use an NRA term. As far as production class, they should be legal since you can "replace metallic sights with those of another mfgr". I believe that the rules for "production" have not changed. You WILL want to get clarfication from Rudy DuFour before the 'Cup if you have the slightest doubt. Optical sights means Dots and scopes like the Burris 2x bullseye scope etc. Welcome to the sport! You will learn a lot..I continue to see something new each time I shoot AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Minute Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 SRT, Thanks for the feedback. Rudy has been helpful on other requests and I will confirm with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 I'm shooting my first Action Pistol match this year at the Bianchi Cup, and thought I was competing in the "Metallic Sights" catagory, but it seems my gun qualifies for Production Division, as well. It's an STI 9mm. Should I compete in one over the other? Curious, Phil Strader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Minute Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Phil, I am new to this as well and will be interested in what the others say. I would suggest calling Rudy at the following link. He was easy to get to and very helpful with my question. I think you could shoot in either. There may be more catagories and prizes available in one over the other. I'm shooting in the Metallic division, so if you're any good I suggest going Production. Good Luck! http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?url=http://ww...mpete/index.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted March 12, 2004 Author Share Posted March 12, 2004 Production has piqued my interest too. So there are three possible Production competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Last Minute... I suck, so it wouldn't matter! But thanks for the info. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted March 12, 2004 Author Share Posted March 12, 2004 gmshtr, Yeah..OK, I believe that one!! I think TJ shot Open in '02 with a low 1900 and change. Might have been his first time and I don't think he's been back since. Production does sound cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 TJ shot in '01 and finished 22nd with a 1908-154X. Hasn't been back since, as you said. Alan~^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted March 13, 2004 Author Share Posted March 13, 2004 Thanks Alan. Can't find the results book for '01 or '02 but I knew it was one of them. He said he would be back..guess not. Priorities, priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Hope fully this will clear it up.... there is really only 2 divisions Open, and Stock. Stock is basically the same as limited and Open is anything you can bolt to the gun. Prize table for stock is usually about half what it is for Open, but there isnt really much there, about 3 or 5 cash payouts and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 but there isnt really much there, about 3 or 5 cash payouts and thats it. Funny! I've been to 4 of the last 5 Cups and they paid money to the top 20 in Stock and Open. There really aren't "prize tables" as in USPSA, but "bags" that are already made up by the prize committee that are given out in the order of finish, all the way to last place. In NRA Action, there are 3 classes: Open, Metallic Sight, and Production.........check out the rule book. Think you have us mixed up with another discipline. Alan~^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantJ Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 If you would like an idea of what the new rules change is likely to do the results of this years "Cup" I suggest that you check out this web sight. www.pistolclub.co.nz In particular go to "Results" and look at the entry for 2004. The first three are all High Masters, and are also 1900 plus "Cup" shooters. Check out the results bulletins to verify, if you are not sure. Scary stuff! Regards, Grant J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted March 20, 2004 Author Share Posted March 20, 2004 Grant, Interesting! I have not shot a match yet under the new rules (3 more weeks) but after a lot of thought, I feel that if I can't hit six 8 in plates at 25 yrds in 9 seconds standing, I don't deserve to win anything, IMHO. Especially with an open gun. Now cleaning the plates means something..it's not a 'gimme anymore. Everyone will improve their shooting standing AND their mental game which makes the mover that much easier. Practical is no big deal. Sure, xcounts will drop but the 10 ring is still 8 in. This year, the men (and women) will be separated from the boys (and girls). It might not be such a bad thing. If some "no body" beats the big dogs, it will mean something. Now each point counts..for everyone. The big dogs still are, now the rest of us have to quit shooting prone "off the porch" and run with them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 SRT - I have to agree with you. When I test drove your back-up Open blaster at 25yds on the plates I thought it was almost too easy. And, I don't shoot Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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