RiggerJJ Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 The only issue I've come across is that Clays gets a 10-15 pf increase at 85 degrees, compared to 35-40 degrees. so does Tightgroup... jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 and thats vital for me right now, its only in the 20-30 degree range now and im about to chrono some loads. wish i better weather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcelr8n Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I've been using Titegroup with 200gr LSWC. The load is sooooo smoky. I like the way that it shoots and the TG meters well for me. TG is also very clean with Montana Gold bullets. Based on what I am reading here, I should try Clays with my LSWC so it doesn't look like I'm shooting black powder anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The only issue I've come across is that Clays gets a 10-15 pf increase at 85 degrees, compared to 35-40 degrees. so does Tightgroup... jj That's what I've heard, but, it hasn't happened to me yet, with Titegroup, and I've chronoed from 25 degrees to 90 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Boy Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Very interesting...the burn rate data sources cited above are in conflict with one another. Never noticed that before. For example, one source shows both Titegroup and Bullseye as faster than Clays, while Hodgdon's chart shows Clays faster than both. Always good to remember that because you read it doesn't mean it's true. Based on what I am reading here, I should try Clays with my LSWC so it doesn't look like I'm shooting black powder anymore. I was initially lubing with White Label Lube's 'BAC' lube, which I believe is Beeswax and Carnauba, and running Clays. Four or five fast shots indoors and I'd be standing a cloud of dense smoke. I stayed with Clays and all else the same, but switched to a hard lube (Jake's Purple Ceresin) and...no smoke (or at least nearly none). I found Hodgdon's load data for Longshot to be impressive: 200gr JHP 7.0gr 918fps 13,300 cup (min load) 200gr JHP 7.8gr 1,013fps 16,900 cup (max load) This looked to be among the highest velocity/lowest pressure loads going--although you can see you're burning quite a bit of powder to do it, and Longshot looks to be a relatively slow burner. Edited February 17, 2010 by Bongo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Clays would be an excellent choice for light loads in 45 ACP but I would not use it in either 9mm or 38 Super. Titegroup has load data for all three calibers but I find it a bit hot burning especially with lead bullets. I tend to use WSF for my 9mm loads, W-231 or American Selct for light revo loads in 38 Super and Clays, WST or American Select for 45 ACP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCS44256 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 231 is the best all around powder I have found for 25 ACP thru 44 MAg. You can get good loads in any of these, but it might not be the best. 231 (same as HP38)has been my 45 ACP powder for many years and also works fine in 9mm, 38 Super and 10MM (not S&W). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I tried Clays for awhile. It doesnt meter well thru my press. I was getting horrible extreme spread. Plus I had to go to 4.2 grs. to make PF. I have a slow barrel. Some of the Clays loads would drop below PF. Dont want that at a big match. It would be my luck that the 3 they grabbed would be low. TG worked well, just smoked like a train. I use RS Comp now. But I have to be careful of the temp. It is low on smoke and recoil. And is cheap. I also use 231 for 9/40 and 45. just a great all around powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlbob Posted February 20, 2010 Author Share Posted February 20, 2010 I bought a couple of, pounds of Clays the other day but have yet to try it. I did stuff some brass with 231 and went indoor hosing Wednesday nite. Never seen so much smoke after a 5 shot string in my life, it was nasty. I backed up out of the booth and shot with my gun in and my nose out. Think I'll take a camera with me next time to see if its as bad as I thought it was after I get home. I put 5.2 of 231 grains under a lead 208 Truncated cone. My loads did not seem all that accurate though, now I am wondering if perhaps I might have gone a bit 'hog wild' on the taper crimp or need to try a different seating depth or ?... earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovbuild Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 I have never tried clays but I load heavy for pin shoots. 5.3-5.5 unique under a 255 lswc running at 850fps out of a 5" barrel. I do hear that clays are for light loads. If this is true I will stick with the unique for these loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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