Sean_ht

USPSA has 7 divisions (I count limited and limited 10 as one), Steel-Challenge has 9 divisions (+4 for rimfire). So basically they provide a room for almost every taste. 3 GNs division depends on the range, some places offer 3 division, some 4. I don't have 45cal, so the "heavy metal" division is out. Open division has no limit on anything, so the price for getting neccessary equipment and aftermarket parts (for 3 platforms) puts this division out of my reach. Now 2 divisions are left. Shooting 200yrd with iron sight in "tactical iron" is not fun. Tactical optic does not allow red dot on pistol (at least at the range here)!

Thanks for the input. I was first thinking about using my ar15 match trigger (I have an Elftmann-SE) in the MPX. Then read about how the MPX destroys triggers, and it changed my initial thought.

From the perspective of someone who attends the USPSA and Steel-Challenge matches; shotgun (reloading portion), cost, rules, and how the divisions are defined are the main barriers to attend the 3GNs. Furthermore, the PCC division in both USPSA & Steel-Challenge satisfies the desire of shooting with a rifle style gun at a match.

I run it with Ghost the One. Very good holster, no issue for the past one year.

Thanks for the input. I know if I had bought the MPX_PCC one, I would stick with the Timney that comes with it (683). It's a good trigger, but not good enough to make you happy when shooting in a match, specially in a Steel-Challenge; and not bad enough that force you to spend some green notes to upgrade it. So I decided to buy a version of MPX that comes with regular Sig trigger (not the Timney one) for couple of hundreds less. This way I can upgrade the trigger according to my taste, and still save some money. The idea behind the Hiperfire is interesting. However, I think they are a bit over-priced. One question. I have read the MPX Carbine has a tendency to destroy any match trigger that is not specifically made for it. Is it true?

Thanks for the inputs. As I mentioned in the last reply, I bought the Sig-MPX 16" that comes with the regular Sig trigger, NOT the Timney version (MPX-PCC). Thanks a lot for the link, I bought it from them. The weight pull is perfect, and their price is right. I just need to buy one or two 30rd magazines and I am my set is complete for 2020

I have a MPX with original Sig curved trigger. For competition, it definitely requires an upgrade. No matter how much you practice, you still have to change that trigger. If I had a MPX-PCC with Timney trigger, I would not even think about changing the trigger. I have heard about the Hiperfire 24C trigger. Did not know it fits the MPX. As a general note, trigger is is going to be the only upgrade for my MPX. I want to buy a crisp and reliable trigger to make my MPX suitable for PCC division. I just don't want to spend some money now and saving by not buying a good enough trigger, that later I have to change the trigger again. Or change the trigger because of the reliability issue. I know installing a light weight trigger can result in light primer hit issue. The Elftmann AR-9 is very tempting. The price is not that bad, and the trigger weight is adjustable. I don't know if it creates reliability issue, as I mentioned above.

Is the 3.5 lb this one? https://timneytriggers.com/ar-pcc-trigger/ The reason I am asking is in their website, the only trigger they mark as MPX compatible is the 4.5 lb black one ( https://timneytriggers.com/sig-mpx-trigger/). Does anyone have any experience with the Elftmann AR-9 trigger? In the description, it says it is compatible with the MPX and it has a low trigger pull. The only downside is it is a two stage trigger (based on the look of their trigger).

Thanks, I was wondering 4.5 lb is not that much impressive (compare with other options), that people kept mentioning Timney at the matches! But is it compatible with the Sig-MPX? In their website they did not say anything about compatibility with MPX, for any of their AR Carbine triggers: 1- https://timneytriggers.com/ar-pcc-trigger/ 2- https://timneytriggers.com/ar-pcc-two-stage-trigger/

To upgrade the Sig MPX-PCC trigger, which trigger do you suggest? I did some search in different places, and the following are apparently the only options: 1. Timney MPX - single stage, pull weight 4.5 lb - https://timneytriggers.com/sig-mpx-trigger/ 2. Elftmann AR-9 - pull weight 2 3/4 to 4 lb (adjustable) https://www.elftactical.com/elf-ar-9 3. Geissele MPX-SSA - 2 stage, pull weight 4.25-4.5 lb https://geissele.com/mpx-ssa.html Some forum suggested Geissele match trigger, but non of their match triggers (S3G, SD-3G, and Hi-Speed National Match) are compatible with Sig-MPX. Any other suggestion?

I read somewhere that for the weight issue of STI, I need to change the recoil rod with an aluminium version. So at the price range of the STI DVC-Classic 1911, could you please share your suggest/s for the SS division?

It is amazing how many STI haters are there. There are so many that makes me thinking maybe the other companies are spreading these type of criticism to persuade people buy other brands of handguns. 1. Look at the cut on the slide on the old and new DVC-open or DVC-steel. Do they address the problem, yes. Does it make the gun 100% resistant to any issue over time, of course no. Guns are consumable products. Some parts will eventually fail, due to the constant pressure and stress. 2. Of course it matters if you get a lifetime warranty, vs a limited time warranty. People keep whining about how Czeckmate has a barrel issue, or how their slide-stop-lock cracks. Guess what, these are all consuming parts of the gun, and if that happens, the owner have to pay for the repair, because CZ has a 5 year warranty. The same story is true for Dan-Wesson. They offer 3 years. AGAIN, guns are consuming products, if you use them, especially in harsh condition like the competition, you should expect a failure at some point. That is why a life-time warranty is important. 3. Agree, they target a portion of market that they did not have a product for, to gain more profit. That is called business.

poor STI!

I doubt they completely abandon the competition market. The emerge of social media and youtube attracted many new shooters, among which many who emphasize on equipment much more than the gaining the needed skills. Result is a big market for fully customized guns with much higher price tags. So they needed a new name-brand for their product to increase their price. Saying that, I agree the previous dvc generation had the cracking issue for some time, and while the STI addressed that problem, the sticky bad reputation still has a negative impact on their sell. To a point that people forget they offer lifetime warranty, not a limited-time warranty like Dan-Wesson. It is not bad to see a crack on STI, you will get a new gun for that crack. In the end, I predict they will introduce their new guns at the shot-show 2020, with much higher price tags for their competition series.

Wow, so the PM9 with almost half the price of STI DVC-Classic has a better quality?!

Has anyone experienced shooting with the STI DVC CLASSIC, the 1911 STI? The price is par with some of the custom built 1911. Is it really that much better than D.W. PM9?

They probably will introduce all of them at the 2020 shot show. It will be in January. So less than a month from now...

Thanks for the responses. I am aware of the cracking issue the STI had in the past. I assumed when the introduced "the new" DVC products with the newer C-more red-dot, they also addressed the cracking issue. Does anyone know, if the new DVC-Open model still suffer from cracking over time? I know CK Arms is one alternative for STI, and they are making reliable 2011-platform handguns. I have heard from two Atlas owners that Atlas is a supper picky handgun, and they work with a very specific and narrow range of ammo-loads. If I want to pick a reliable 2011-platform open handgun, do I have any other option?

I plan to purchase a STI DVC for open division for BOTH USPSA and Steel-Challenge matches. Could u please help me to decide between DVC-O and DVC-S (or you think there is a better option other than these two, please share you suggestion)? I know the DVC-O has a larger comp. and is designed to run major. So, I assume, I can just change the spring and run 9mm minor. Please correct me, if I am wrong. As for the DVC-S, I assume the smaller comp. makes it a bit more pleasant when moving from one taraget to the next one. Since it runs 9mm minor, I assume changing spring can transform it to a major 9mm handgun. However, I am not sure if the barrel of DVC-S can handle the more pressure of a 9mm major ammo. Could you please guide me to choose among them? Thanks, Sean

I purchased a TSO 40, and today I tried it at the range. Super nice handgun, with perfect weight balance and grip angle. I was a bit skeptical about going into major route with 40. This TSO makes shooting 40 (180gr.) so pleasant that I felt I am shooting a 115gr. 9mm, rather than a snappy 40 caliber! Thanks for your advice. BTW, I shot with a STI of one of my friend the other day, and STI immediately goes to the top of my list for the next purchase

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and inputs. I decide to pick the TSO route.

I shoot Tanfoglio in production (stock Xtreme) and open (customized gold team) divisions. In open-carry I used to switch between VP9 and P320/X5, but lately shooting with Tanfoglio platform makes the Sig a bit odd to shoot with (the slide is way too light). I started shooting with G34. After switching to Tanfoglio, I feel the polymer frame handguns are too front-light to the extend that it is a bit awkward to shoot with, for the first mag or two. I have not shot with either Tanfoglio Limited Xtreme, or CZ TSO. The reason I choose Tanfoglio Limited Xtreme, as one of the option, is consistency between what I already shoot with and the new one. It is basically the same grip/grip-angle, ... , and also it is possible to switch slides (I doubt I will ever need to change caliber, but that is an extra benefit). Since I never shoot or dry fire a Limited-Xtreme, I am not sure how good is the trigger, but assume it is quiet similar to the Stock-Xtreme's trigger (except for the trigger shape). As for the CZ TSO, I checked it in one of the matches I was at. I did not shoot with it, just dry fire. The trigger is very nice, but what impressed me was the grip and weight balance. Again, I did not shoot with it, so not sure how it handles the 40cal recoil. BTW, this CZ that I checked was in 9mm, so the owner could not give me much info. about the recoil management of a 40cal one. Now with this back-ground information, any suggestion?

@Darqusoull13 , thanks for the offer. But in that price range, I rather to buy a new TSO. Maybe I should have mentioned this in the original post. I shoot USPSA in open, production, and optic-carry divisions. I shoot 9mm in all those divisions, and limited is a new experience for me, specially the 40cal.

@aandabooks CZ TSO 40 comes with three mags. So need to buy one extra mag with extension+spring/follower On the other hand, Atlans comes with one mag, and need to buy three more mags. Plus, Atlas is way over $2k.

@aandabooks I have experience shooting with Atlas. It is a nice 2011 variant. Every single owner of that gun after saying its a nice gun to shoot with, told me it is supper picky on ammo. Furthermore, $100 for a mag is crazy. For limited division, minor is just waste of time and money. Unless one may just want to have some fun time shooting with the much less snappy 9mm cal. at the limited division, and does not care much about HF.