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I just checked my batch of bullets. You are correct. The bayou bullets aren't running heavy. Out of a batch of 10 the average was 146.6. I still made power factor with that load, but just barely. I will move back to 3.2 or 3.3 gr Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

This is from a Lim Pro 9mm Powder = 3.1 N320 Bullet = Bayou 147 gr truncated cone (they run heaver than 147gr) COL =1.110 (My Tanfos have the short chamber issue) Primer= Federal SP Gold Match Magnum (these were the only federals I could get) Power factor = 126.x - It is too close for many, but this load made the same power factor for two major IDPA matches. IDPA doesn't weigh bullets. PF is calculated on stated bullet weight Accuracy = very accurate but I don't have exact numbers

I've stopped using the vibra prime. I'm back to using pickup tubes. It is less frustrating. I load federal spp standard and magnums. Without fail a primer will get caught on the lip and I wasted time getting that primer to through. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

I've been running the Ammobot for about 6 months now. I'm very satisfied with the product. When I was looking to automate my 1050 I saw the Mark 7 first and I was going to purchase that tool. I have several friends that run the Mark 7. One of the local GM's told me about the Ammobot. I researched both products and decided on the Ammobot. Here are the pros. 1. Great customer service. When Ive asked a question, via email or Facebook. I get a response within an hour. Usually within minutes. Jason is also very knowledgeable with the 1050 and answers those questions as well. 2. Quality product. I'm super impressed with the quality of the Ammobot. The issues that i have had have been with the Dillon press itself. No issues to date with the Ammobot components. 3. Sensors. The sensors work well. I have the swage, berdan primer, and primer tube sensors. The machine came with the primer tube sensor. The swage sensor has been the best investment to date. It works really well at finding ringers, small primer pockets, or primers that haven't been fully ejected. There are additional sensors from third party vendors as well. 4. Handle. Its great to have the handle to clear jams or just cycle the press when needed. 5. Cost. I got the Ammobot when they were running a special. It almost was less than half the price of the Mark 7 pro. 6. Speed. This tool can run up to 2800 rph. I've seen videos of people processing brass at over 3000 rph. Here are the Cons: 1. Detecting jams. Both machines will sense and stop jams at high torque levels. But the Mark 7 works better for detecting jams at lower torque levels. 2. Noise level. The Ammobot is louder than the Mark 7. This is not that big of an issue though because I wear ear and eye pro when reloading anyway. 3. User interface. The Ammobot has a control box and the Mark 7 has a tablet. I thought this would be a bigger issue for me at first and that i was missing out by not having a tablet. But in reality the Ammobot control box is solid and has been error free. It is super easy to change the press cycle speed and turn on. Maybe this should listed as a pro. Conclusion: I am extremely satisfied with the Ammobot. Knowing what I know now I would make the purchase again. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

There are a number of reasons why you don't see many African Americans shoot USPSA and IDPA. I'm a black guy and have been shooting USPSA and IDPA off and on since about 2004 or 2005. One of the reasons why there isn't a large representation of IDPA or USPSA is because of access/location. Many of the clubs (at least here in Michigan) that host these events are in more rural areas where black folks don't live or frequent in large numbers. Most of the people that I invite to shoot had no idea that this type of shooting (IDPA/USPSA) existed, and/or had no idea that there was a shooting club in that area. Ironically, black people may not have been welcomed in some of these clubs 30,40 or 50 years ago. I found out about this type of shooting because a club that i joined started holding IDPA matches. So I went to a match just to look. I came back the next month and shot the match. I then started going to other clubs. But for a few years I was the always the only black guy at the local matches. Now it is opening up and there are a bunch of folks of all different backgrounds shooting. This has happened mostly by word of mouth. People that have had positive experiences share it with their friends, and then their friends come and shoot too. This is only one reason, and this is based upon my experience shooting all over the midwest. A few of the nonsense reasons stated in this thread are: 1. Can't afford it. 2. Have felonies.

I had the same tumbling issue with 147 grain bayous and between 3.1 and 3.3 grains of vvn310. 1.110 COL out of a tanfo Stock II and Limited Pro. Increasing the load on n310 did not solve the issue. Tumbling did not occur with Zero 147 JHP's. I switched to n320 and there are no tumbling issues to speak of with the Bayou's. 147's with N310 is a softer load than the same with N320. I may try 135's with n320 when my 147's run out. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

I've heard from a very reliable source that polishing the chamber will help. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

I had the same experience with n320. 3.3 barely makes minor power factor. Butbitbis a very soft load. 3.5 makes power factor but is a little snappier. 3.4 n320 is nice. Now I'm using 3.3 of n310. I haven't chronographed the yet. But it is a lighter shooting load than 3.4 of n320Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

The Bayou bullets are great. I just started shooting a Stock 2 this year. I love the platform. The 147 gr Bayou bullets with n310 or n320 are really nice. N310 is a tad bit softer. Extremely accurate. Quarter sized 10 round group at 15 yards benched is doable. I had an older M&P pro and I wasn't able to come close to that with the black coated bullets I was using. Buy the Bayous with confidence. Fwiw. I got similar accuracy with a plated berry 147 round nose and n310. I like those because I can load the longer at 1.160 (ikr). No feeding issues. No visable signs of over pressure. I'm still testing this load though. I've only got about 100 rounds down range with this load and I need to chrono.

Check out the following link. I posted it a while ago147 grain bullet comparison.

Is the slide-width different than the 9-Pro??? I hope not but the length better be, my current holster has a semi closed bottom. I bought an M&P Pro .40 5" last week and tried it in my Comp-Tac holster for my 9 pro and it wouldn't fit. I opened up the tension screws on the holster some and tried again but still a no go. I haven't tried it again to loosen the screws all the way yet but I would guess they would fall out from being so loose. I'll try again tonight and see what I come up with. The part that looks like it is hitting is the upper/top portion of the slide. It seems to be just a tad wider than the 9 pro slide, fyi. I just picked up an M&P pro 40 5''. It fits perfectly in my Comp-Tac Speed paddle holster for the 9mm

I purchased by casefeeder about 4 months ago. I've only loaded 9mm so far, however, I also have parts for .45 acp, .40 s&w, and .38/357. I caused me fits from the beginning. I had all of the same problems listed above. The most annoying and frustrating being the cases getting caught on the locator plate. It took me a while to figure this out, but I had to raise the it about the same amount so that the cases would not get stuck. I just cut a few strips of paper from a yellow sticky pad that I had on my bench and placed that under the locator plate. That raised it sufficiently enough to stop the cases from being tipped. I'm not destroying as much brass now. When cases start getting stuck, I just replace the few strips of paper. My locator plate also has a bunch of semi-circle indentations from shell hitting the sizing die. I'll order a new one soon. I was also getting lots of upside down cases (9mm)comming out of the case feeder. It was happening every 7 cases or so. It was a pain in the a@@. I don't recall what I did to fix this, but it is not happening as much now. I also have an issue with use primers all over the place. This is still happening. Before I fixed the issues with the locator plate, I was ready to throw the casefeeder off of a bridge. I'm happier now that this problem is "fixed". My production rate prior to adding the shell plate was about 350 to 400 per hour. When the case feeder is working properly, I can increase that by about 150 to 200 rounds per hour. However, any issue that you encounter while reloading will eat up that increased production rate. The casefeeder for the 550 requires much more maintenance to ensure smooth operation. You have to be more diligent in sorting your cases (as with any case feeder) I still think that the case feeder is a good option, but be prepared to do all of your maintenance checks before you start a big batch of reloading. This will save you lots of frustration.

Did some accuracy tests at the range tonight. At 25 yards benched, I got 3.5 inch group from the MG's and a 4.5 inch group from the Precisions. I'm not impressed with the accuracy at all. I've been reading about this on other posts. I may be in the market for a fitted after market barrel.

There was definitely more felt recoil with the precision bullet. I was suprised about the difference in velocity. I didn't know it would be that significant. The temperature at the time of testing was between 65 and 70 degrees

I went to the range today to test out some new loads. I basically loaded the for two different bullet types MG's and Precisions. I thought that I'd post the data. Common characteristics for both bullet types Firearm: Smith & Wesson M&P Pro 9mm, Stock barrel. Primer: Winchester small pistol standard Cases: mixed Caliber 9mm Powder: 3.5 gr VV N320. C.O.L; 1.110 to 1.115 Montanna Gold Bullets 147gr CMJ 12 shot string High 898 Low 858 Extreme spread 40 Average 875 Standard deviation 12 Power Factor with stated weight of 147 gr = 128.6 Power Factor with actual average weight of 147.1 = 128.7 I excluded a low velocity round that registered 825 fps on my chrono Precision Bullet Polymer Coated 10 shot string High 963 Low 944 Extreme spread 19 Average 954 Standard Deviation 6 Power Factor with actual weight of 148.2 gr = 141.3 Power Factor with stated weight of 147 gr = 140.2

Jeff was a really great guy. He was really nice to be around. Seeing him shoot his revolver and how profficient he was with it really sparked my interest in this part of our sport. May God give his give comfort to his family. Ross Palmer

Thanks all for the info. The smoke issue is a real concern for me. Lately I've been shooting Precision Cast lead moly coated (147 gr fp). I get no smoke at all from those bulllets. The inside of my barrell was coated had these "streaks". I assume it is the moly coating. However, it came off very quickly with a brass bore brush. They are fairly accurate, however, I've never actually performed a side by side accuracy test. My plan is to buy about 10 to 15000 147 gr bullets in bulk soon. I'm still waffling a little but I'm leaning towards the moly coated bullets. Below is a price comparison for all the bullet All prices include shipping except for Zero. Bulk discounts have also been added for all. Montanna Gold Bullets are excellent, however at that price, I may as well buy factory ammo. If there is anyone in Michigan that would like combine an order to get the best pricing, please e-mail me Bullet Bullet Price for Price Company Shape 10,000 Per bullet Precision Cast FP 473.50 0.0474 Precision Delta FMJ-RN 560.00 0.0560 Berrys (from Berrys) FP 609.60 0.0610 zero (powder valley) RN 612.75 0.0613 Rainer (from Midway) FP 666.51 0.0667 Rainer (from Cabelas) FP 713.55 0.0714 Montanna Gold CMJ 752.75 0.0753

Hello All, I'm ready to make a big purchase of bullets to get ready for IPSC and IDPA shooting in 2007. I was all set to go with Precision Cast (lead moly coated) bullets because they are very inexpensive. Then I saw the price of the Precision Delta (jacketed) bullets. Precision Delta bullets are more expensive than lead, however they are the least expensive jacketed bullets I've seen. I'm looking to buy 147 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45 acp. Let me know what your experiences have been with Precision Delta bullets (especially in those calibers). I appreciate your help, Thanks, SrRch

Hello All, First of all, hat's off to Jack Allen and Carl Andrews for organizing the match, and the SO's at WCRHA for stepping up to the plate and doing a terrific job. Thanks to the MD's and SO's from the other clubs for designing the best stages I've ever seen. The excellent attitude of the shooters made this an enjoyable event. I had the honor of being one if the SO's for the 2006 Michigan State Match. I worked bay 10 "Automation Alley". I'd like to recognize Garry Hagar from Advanced Target Systems ( advancedtargetsystems.com, 248.227.4921) for the design of the system used for stage 10. He invented a fully automated, electronic target, computer monitered target system from the ground up. Without this stage, the event was excellent. His invention in my opinion pushed it over the top. This system uses light sensors that are activated by the motion of the shooter to activate and de-activate targets. There were 9 targets, and each target either turned, flipped up, exposed only the head, and an array of other movements. When the shooter passed through the sensor, the next target would open and the previous target would disappear. The speed at which the targets appeared and disappeared was based upon how fast the shooter moved through the course. This was even challenging for the Master level shooters. But get this... is that it was set to one of the simple and slowest settings. My words don't do justice in explaining how sophistocated and cool this system is. I am not affialiated with Gary's company. I am not receiving any kind of compensation for writing this and Garry did not ask me to "talk-up" his product. In fact I first met Garry and saw his system during set-up the night before the SO's shot the match. I just like to recognize excellence, and his invention is one that will advance our sport. I look forward to an even more challenging stage next year. Sincerely, R. Palmer