Alan550

You can also find shooting clubs at "www.nra.org" that would be close to you. I agree with getting safety training from a certified instructor. Alan~^~

From the info I have, this is pretty much a "done-deal"! The AP committee had a conference-call meeting and it's still a "go" going into the main NRA Rules committee meeting on Nov. 2, as I understand it now. So it seems we're screwed! I, for one, am having serious doubts about attending next year if they do change it as proposed. Seems they didn't get enough complaints from the rank & file shooters to turn the decision around, so I may have to go into IDPA or some other game and try to sell a nice Caspian action gun. It's not worth much as an IPSC shooter since it's a single-stack! DAMN!

I agree with AP! We should be notified of the agenda for the committee beforehand. I'm just a lowly Expert, but I'm knocking on the Master door. You mean that if I get Master before the first of next year when new rules take effect that I have to live with that classification, and not be able to go prone anywhere but the 50 yd line? Doesn't seem fair to me! The active classified shooters should have some kind of input for rule changes. This one is being sneaked in under the radar by a few while the majority of us have been allowed no knowledge of the change or any input. I don't like it! Alan~^~

I think that would be akin to changing the brand of gas I put in my truck to stop it pulling to the right when I hit the brakes! Horizontal stringing could be a result of pushing or "pulling"the trigger to one side, while the vertical stringing could come from holding an inconsistant grip on the gun (too tight and then too loose). But change powder or loads to correct this? I don't see how. Alan~^~

I can understand you being skeptical about the .5 inch group that Kevin related, but I was there and witnessed that shooting session. The gun was Ransom rested at 50 yds, and it did shoot a 6-shot group that measured .458 center-to-center. It's an Open class gun with shroud & barricade wings and helped him come in 21st at the 2002 Cup, along with winning the Texas State & a couple of Regionals last year. We were testing loads that day in both our guns and mine did 1.235 at the same distance for 10 shots. As any true gun nut will tell you, just because it did it on one day under one set of conditions doesn't necessarily mean that it's repeatable, but his gun shot it that day and was witnessed. Also, as for the Accu-Rails, it's a lot easier in the long run to replace them ($50.00 or so) than to have the rails peened when they finally wear out after time and high round counts IMHO. Just my $.02 Alan~^~

When I had that problem and contacted Dillon, they sent new linkage pins and believe it or not, a rod to use in driving the old ones out. All it consisted of was a landscape nail with the point ground off! These are the ones you use to join landscape timbers and are about 6" long. Worked like a charm too. Also, they recommended using grease instead of oil on the replacement linkage pins that went in. Alan~^~

Rhino, You should be really happy with that score! It would have won Marksman Class at the Cup this year!

The amount of lead depends greatly on the velocity of your ammo. On anything under 1,000 fps, you'll be leading off the target at 25 yds. Here's the formula and a chart that works: Lead Factor for Moving Target Formula: D / V x 120 = L D = Distance to target in feet V = Velocity of bullet in feet-per-second (fps) 120 = Assumed target speed of 10 fps L = Lead factor in inches Distance to center from edge of X- ring = 2" 10-ring = 4" 8 - ring = 6" target = 9" 800 fps, 45 min. lead 10 yds - 4.5" 15 yds - 6.75" 20 yds - 9.0" 25 yds - 11.25" 850 fps, 42.5 min. lead 10 yds - 4.24" 15 yds - 6.35" 20 yds - 8.47" 25 yds - 10.59" 900 fps, 40 min. lead 10 yds - 4.0" 15 yds - 6.0" 20 yds - 8.0" 25 yds - 10.0" 950 fps, 37.9 min. lead 10 yds - 3.79" 15 yds - 5.68" 20 yds - 7.58" 25 yds - 9.47" 1000 fps, 36 min. lead 10 yds - 3.6" 15 yds - 5.4" 20 yds - 7.2" 25 yds - 9.0" 1050 fps, 34.3 min. lead 10 yds - 3.43" 15 yds - 5.14" 20 yds - 6.86" 25 yds - 8.57" 1100 fps, 32.7 min. lead 10 yds - 3.27" 15 yds - 4.91" 20 yds - 6.55" 25 yds - 8.18" 1150 fps, 31.3 min. lead 10 yds - 3.13" 15 yds - 4.7" 20 yds - 6.26" 25 yds - 7.83" 1200 fps, 30 min. lead 10 yds - 3.0" 15 yds - 4.5" 20 yds - 6.0" 25 yds - 7.5" 1300 fps, 27.7 min. lead 10 yds - 2.77" 15 yds - 4.15" 20 yds - 5.54" 25 yds - 6.92" Hope this helps, Alan~

As long as you can get 4" accuracy at 50 yds for the Practical event, you'll do fine with the lighter bullets. At that velocity, most of the lead-factor for the mover will be ok. At 1,000 fps, it works out to a 9"lead at 25 yds, which is the leading edge of the target, with shorter leads being, respectively, 3.6, 5.4, and 7.2 at 10, 15, and 20 yds. The accuracy is the most important, of course, and if you have that, the rest will work fine. Don't let them discourage you about a revolver though! The national record in Barricade (480-48X) was set with one, and has been tied a few times since with a "wheelgun"!

Several of the Rudy glasses have Rx inserts that allow you to have your prescription mounted behind the shooting lenses so that you can change colors without having to have several different Rx lenses ground. They also have a great warranty, and are really high-quality stuff.

I bought one about a year ago, and it really tells you what all those springs in your shooting bag are. I use light ones (NRA Action) and it helps to not wait until the gun is being battered before figuring out that it needs changing. Also some springs aren't what they're advertised as being for actual weight, and it saves beating up the gun to find this out. Just my $.02.

Perf40 Here are some of the loads I've tried with that new HAP-121, one helluva accurate bullet BTW. 5.3-5.5 gr. W231 5.4 gr. titegroup 4.7-4.9 gr. AA#2 Accuracy at 25 yds in my gun ran from .542" - .939" with those loads and these meet a 120+ PF in a 6" bbl 9X23. YMMV See ya at PSA.......

Thanks for the input guys, but it seems I've posed the question on the WRONG board. I was under the impression that this forum was for other sports as well as IPSC, and since I'm a lowly NRA Action shooter, I've come to the wrong place. My concern was, and is, inconsistencies in OAL, but it's been turned into another topic altogether.

"1. Is this "problem" actually manifesting itself in accuracy?" Yes! I'm talking a pistol that does under a half-inch @ 50 yds. and OAL differences have thrown the SD from a 10 to about 30 when compared to loads that were seated separately in a single-stage after the mass-loading process on a progressive. So there is a huge difference in accuracy also, going up to an inch and a quarter from the previous accuracy above. I realize the 1050 is a bunch faster, but if we have to do final seating on another press, it's not worth the expense to go to the 1050. Thanks for the idea on the toolhead locking pins though! That's a great idea I hadn't thought of.

How does OAL consistency on a Dillon 1050 stack up against the 550-B & 650? The 550 I have varies as much as .005. A friend is considering a 1050 to replace his 650 which varies a bit too, and posed the question, so I thought I'd ask here. How 'bout it guys ( and ladies) ?

Did you check the once-fired brass after resizing? New Starline, or any other new brass sticks on my 550. But after firing, the powder residue seems to serve as a lube for future loading. As someone else said, I just learned to live with it on the new stuff and look forward to the second loading. Lubing the new cases helped, but didn't eliminate the problem.

The best answer to your questions is: it depends"! If your barrel mics at .355, accuracy shouldn't change much, and velocity should go up a bit due to less resistance in the barrel with the smaller diameter. If it mics .356, then accuracy could suffer, depending upon whether there's enough obturation ( bullet deforming to the lands & grooves due to pressure) to get a good seal for the bullet in the larger barrel. Either way, power factor will probably change some. Only a chrono can say which way, and how much.

As far as participation is concerned ( ICORE vs USPSA) they could add another classification of Open Revolver and remedy about half of the complaint. ICORE has such a class, and that may explain the discrepancy in participation numbers.

You seem concerned about outside case-mouth diameter, and I'm wondering about brass thickness at the mouth. If you set the crimp with thin brass, then some thicker stuff gets used, you'll be crushing the bullet if you use the same crimp-to diameter. Just food for thought..........

Another consideration, if you reload, is that you'll probably need different shell holders for the 2 calibers, since the rims are different, as pointed out by eerw.

What kind of guy goes to a gun show with only $10.00 in his pocket? I'd have done more than kick myself over that one!

Dave, Unless they've changed it since I bought mine, the muzzle shroud is removeable. I took mine off because I had a "lower opinion" than the "pain in the neck" that you mentioned! That keeps the sight from grabbing on the way out of the holster, and still has enough tension to hold the gun securely, once you get it set for your gun.

Another change that was suggested last year was to change the scoring rings from X-10-8-5 to 10-9-8-5, to at least temporarily eliminate the perfect 1920s. Some of the top shooters don't even do the extra X-count firing on plates, because that has no effect on total posted score for the match. The extra plates are only used to determine the winner of that particular event, so Doug doesn't even shoot them after the first 48. "Thread drift" There's also been made the suggestion to include a Rimfire Class to help raise participation, since NRA is now keeping records on Rimfire scores in all events listed in the rule book. Their claim of how many shooters they have at Camp Perry is really bogus, since one shooter is counted again for every "match" they shoot there, and adding Rimfire at the Cup would bring in more shooters. Especially if we were allowed to compete with more than one gun. As it stands now, they claim that the facility won't handle that many in the schedule, so make it for the whole week, instead of just the 3-4 days that are used now. I just hope this isn't the last Cup, and with a new coordinator at NRA, it may live on.

Draws & reload practice are a whole lot cheaper in dry-fire mode, and help in every way, except recoil recovery.

Not quite the right translation, IPSC CHIK1! That's the mantra that goes through my mind while shooting. That way I remember that if the dot ain't there, stay off that trigger...:-) When I remember to do it that way instead of "trigger-dot" it works sooooo much better!