blackss06

Yall a bunch of silly gooses. May your 65% LO ranking make you feel better than your 62% open ranking.

CO and LO are absolutely not similar compared to LO and open. Single action only. Magwell. (only dense mfs think this doesn’t make a difference in Steel Challenge, it 100% bolsters grip and allows for much quicker recovery on non ideal draws) Race holster. Those things alone can account for 90% of the difference in peak times. There is no power factor requirement for SCSA, comps are not needed. Slide ride dot means you’re much closer to the bore axis. People just want hand outs for higher classifications instead of shooting better. Running a LO gun in open is maybe a 1-2% disadvantage against an actual purpose built steel gun. Of course BJ lost the main match by .01 with a CO gun (a real one, not your OPEN gun) against an open gun so at the top end there’s literally a .01% difference. Maybe we should make the peak time for LO 83.51 to appease all the whiners.

Thats cool that you’d be a GM in CO. Really sucks you shoot an open gun then. I have a 90% in open with a revolver. Who cares. My points are 100% backed by the data.

That would be a huge gap except the peak times are 9 seconds apart. LO would have to be faster than CO and theoretically slower than OPN but there’s already not much, and sometimes there is no gap already. Hence my stance that it would only further dilute competition when any LO gun is perfectly competitive in OPN already in able hands.

Gathering accurate data will also be a huge problem. Only 8 out of 828 people have shot >95% in open in 2024. Only 14/1693 in CO. So with a proposed new division being 90% of open and 10% of CO, where are representative peak times going to come from given that almost no one is shooting main match GM times in the first place? Dot movement isn’t really relevant in SCSA and the scores reflect that. This year’s CO/OPN separation at WSSC was ~6 seconds. Last year was .01 and the top 10 combined between the 2 divisions there were 4 CO and 6 OPN. Adding another division will just dilute the competitor pool even more and accommodate platforms that already have a perfectly competitive division to shoot in.

Why exactly do you think your single action only gun with an optic, magwell, and race holster should not be shot in open? I personally think it’s crazy as hell to add yet another division where the peak times SHOULD be so close, if not identical to open that they’re basically the same division. Don’t really care what they decide to do. If they add it then when I switch back to my Sig I’ll just shoot it in LO with a magwell for no reason.

I was really waiting for this to be released and was expecting around $2k… $3500 is just… ughhhh.

I prefer the 6" guns. They swing more similarly to my centerfire guns. Don't think it matters that much though, only recently upgraded to the Scorpion 6" upper on RFPO, before that was running the stock 22/45 LITE upper and did OK with it.

Jim, I believe we talked about this before in private but I’ve been thinking about it more and if I didn’t hate doing programming when I got home I’d give it a run myself. How feasible is it to make something like an “Effective Classification” category? The idea would be something like taking the best 6 out of 8 most recent matches within the last 24 months and averaging out the % of classification in that division shot. With a minimum of 2 matches required before effective classification is calculated. For example: 2023: June - 4 stage match - (70% SC101, 80% SC103, 50% SC105, 75% SC106)- Average % across the match = 68.75% (counts towards effective classification) August - 8 stage - Average % across the match = 73% (counts towards effective classification) September - 6 stage - Average % across the match = 50% (match is thrown out) October - 4 stage - Average % across the match = 80% (counts towards effective classification) November - 8 stage - Average % = 82% (counts towards effective classification) January- 6 stage - Average % = 58% (thrown out for effective classification) March - 4 stage - Average % = 83% (counts) April - 8 stage - Average % = 81% (counts) Calculation: 68.75% 73% 80% 82% 83% 81% Effective classification = 77.95% A class This would do a few things: 1) give shooters a more accurate representation of their overall performance at matches. 2) accurately rank people for match performance. 3) diminish impacts of scoring and/or division entry errors. Your numbers are already an extreme improvement over SCSA’s “top 20” list but let’s face it, there are plenty of people who have great stages every once in awhile but can’t shoot that consistently across a match. This would allow a truer representation of who you are competing with when you show up at a match. Let me know what you think!

No. If they shoot the stop plate and have a miss at 3 seconds total, yap for 10 seconds and then shoot the missed plate and the stop plate again and that takes 2 seconds, their time would be 15 seconds and one miss.

I would bring your own paint and go paint your targets before you shoot and make everyone wait for you if you want to force the issue. A shooter should be able to request paint before they shoot for sure. That being said, 100% do not think it should be specified in the rules to be required. I shoot at a number of clubs that can’t keep up with paint enough to allow for painting between squads, much less any number of shooters on one squad.

Well that's about the silliest thing I've heard an RO say since some genius thought you couldn't shoot a rimfire gun with a gun in a holster. According to the rules: "Failure to move after shooting a maximum of three strings from a single shooting box will result in a reshoot for each string fired until the competitor moves to the other shooting box." So were they just going to let the competitor shoot 200 strings from one box because they didn't want to coach them to move? WTF.

The only reason to flag rifles is because they can be transported to or from the shooting box flagged. If we got rid of the ability to do that and made everyone case and in case their rifle at the line then we could get rid of the whole slew of nonsense and added time. There is absolutely zero reason to flag any pistol.

Problem with running it cocked and locked is that a lot of people are running the slim safeties that aren’t really made to be used specifically because they start DA and never use the safety. When I got a Shadow 2, every video I saw mentioned to practice dropping the hammer safely because you start DA every every time. It’s not a very big risk if you’ve practiced it regularly. But yea if they have safeties they can actually use then limited or open is perfectly viable.

I was just wondering that the other day too!