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I am a CRO trying to establish a quality match at an old club. I have been approached on 1. redoing qualifiers and 2. doing a second gun at the level 1 match. Obviously for the match scores, the declared gun and first attempt are all that count. The question is uploading the qualifiers to national. Apparently when uploading the reentry (which can be for another gun) will upload just fine so two qualifiers get posted. I have also been told that when uploading second chance qualifiers with the same gun, uploading the highest score qualifier works. The question is what is ruling on these two situations.

The only way to be sure of equalizing the field is to toss uncertainty of whether the equipment operated consistently for all shooters. There should not be a doubt as to whether the equipment is operating properly and represents a fair test to all shooters. By the admission of the RO , it did not. All the shooters have to do is to make the required minimum. The equipment should function at and above that level regardless. Jim

Hi George, always like it when you join in. Best class I ever took. You don't remember me but I was the guy with the funny gun with the cylinder in Phoenix. Jim

We are paid to keep things equal for all competitors. Not to guess. Throw the stage out and go on with the shoot.

Once you discovered the equipment was defective, the CRO and range master should have been called so the stage could be thrown out. That is just plain bad equipment. Jim

Won't happen at my match. I don't know about other clubs, but when mine signed up for USPSA it agreed to comply with USPSA rules. As a CRO I am not going to flush my rep down the drain. Interesting concept, 4 stages of open including one classifier where the shooters just agree to download to ten rounds to hold their scores down. Jim Gross

Why was it changed. It always helps to know the reason a rule was changed. Intuitively the two hit limit per no shoot makes sense but I have been around long enough to know that someone figured out how to make this work for them or it was a problem scoring. Jim G

Thanks, I have read that a hundred times trying to understand why it was in there.

Thats weird. A lot of people said with MPs that they use only 3.3 grains of Tite Group with 147's. 3.2-3.3 TG with a 147 would be for either a lead or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets need more punch to get them going.

So how do we define significant? Would not significant be more than could be offset by one procedural? He still had to lean so the foot fault could not have been all that significant. It is not as if he stepped far enough out that having to lean, which was the challenge , was eliminated. I would have gone with one procedural.

What load did you use for ICORE. I have had some problems with bullet tumbling and sticking moon clips in 9mm with mine. I'm using 4.6 gr. of Universal Clays over a 125 gr. Zero JHP. It works well in this revolver, the production gun, and the 9mm single stacks. Dave Thanks Dave, Jim

What load did you use for ICORE. I have had some problems with bullet tumbling and sticking moon clips in 9mm with mine.

I don't see a conflict with 10.5.6 and 10.5.2. 10.5.6 is not a sub set of 10.5.2. To me 10.5.6 deals specifically with the shooters actions after the "if clear, hammer holster" command. The gun has been shown to be empty , hopefully, and the competitor is reholstering the gun. Maybe it should be so qualified. I have to retract my comment. That is what I get from responding while shooting from the hip, no pun intended. While I don't see a conflict, I have to agree the term loaded in 10.5.6 in the rule causes my head to itch. One of you who wrote the rule, like George, can you jump in?

I don't see a conflict with 10.5.6 and 10.5.2. 10.5.6 is not a sub set of 10.5.2. To me 10.5.6 deals specifically with the shooters actions after the "if clear, hammer holster" command. The gun has been shown to be empty , hopefully, and the competitor is reholstering the gun. Maybe it should be so qualified.

One can ask. Jim G

Yep, when I took the CRO class they offered a multi gun certification. Did not take me long to realize the "flexibility" of the rules in multigun was not for me. Decided to pass, Production Division is confusing enough. Jim G.

Took mine to Frank Glen. Cut off old sight, did a dovetail with a partridge sight and a small gold bead. My son used it when he went thru the local police department firearm instructor school and could not get over how easy the sights are. I use a little flourescent orange around the gold bead on the expose partridge.

Actually, Titegroup is very temperature and position insensitive, abig improvement over older powders of the same burning rate. WST is inverse temperature sensitive. Chronoed a 45 ACP load at about 85 degrees and had a 171 power factor. The next week at a match is was about 100 degrees and barely made 160. Put a moonclip in a cooler for about 10 minutes and tried it again - made 175. Funny, I have found Titegroup to be temperature sensitive. Living in Phoenix, I have watched velocity vary with the same load, same batch vary by up to 100 fps between winter and summer. Caused me a problem when I chrono'd during warm weather and then went to shoot the Single Stack Classic in Jan.

Spent my whole adult life baseball umpiring before I got tired of being beaten to death by baseballs. Shifted over to this. You can't be making up your own rules. What you just said, gave the shooter an advantage over another one who had to live with a short buzzer. Jim G. I've been short beeped before... just can't seem to make myself NOT react to the sound that requires my reaction, even when it's not right. The beep is suppose to be between 1-3 seconds from the "standby". If a shooter doesn't move but has signaled they are ready when asked, what do you do? Do you look at them and show them the timer or do you give them another "standby" if the beep came after 1 second? Different people will handle this differently. SingleStack, you're a "by the books kind of guy", what would you do? Would it matter if it was a semi new woman or an experienced male? Wow. not sure where that came from but did not mean to offend anyone. The rule reads you "should" otherwise it would read you "must" and if not must offer a reshoot. One cannot stretch the rules for one shooter without giving them an advantage over everyone else. This is a competitive sport where differences between shooters come down to hundredths of a second. Sorry, but the clock is running, Jim Gross

Spent my whole adult life baseball umpiring before I got tired of being beaten to death by baseballs. Shifted over to this. You can't be making up your own rules. What you just said, gave the shooter an advantage over another one who had to live with a short buzzer. Jim G.

Never ever, try to make up a deficiency in your action with a subsequent action. It never works and you loose all credibility with the rest of the shooters. You asked if the shooter was ready, after that the burden is on him. If someone did not start after I trigger the buzzer, under the "should" rule and does not react, I guess he could claim he did not hear it. If he reacts, so sorry. The time is running. Jim Gross

This has bbeen a great discussion. I routinely use the range is hot announcement but am not normally in front of the shooter when I do so. Some in the gallery, , without understanding what is going on, get excited thinking I am going to continue in front of the shooter with the LAMR command. I think I will let them get excited if it eliminates the shooter being confused. Thanks for all the input.

For a lead 152 gr load, try 2.8-2.9 gr Clays with a 10lb recoil or 3.4 gr Titegroup for a plated bullet.

George would disagree on the going hot statement. I have never seen anyone look the slightest bit confused on using it and it acts as a heads up to all. Yeah, but have a foreign competitor or someone that uses "going hot" at their local club for "Make Ready" draw their gun when you say it, and it's a different story. "Going Hot"is not a good substitute for actually verifying that the range is clear of people prior to issuing the "Make Ready"command. Troy Never said it was a substitute.

George would disagree on the going hot statement. I have never seen anyone look the slightest bit confused on using it and it acts as a heads up to all.