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  1. Doesn't affect the question, but it's an illegal stage. 6.1, you can't specify the number of rounds required in magazines for reloads.

    6.1 A Stage Description cannot override the rulebook except under the following conditions:

    6.1.1 To address a safety concern as it applies to the limits of the range

    6.1.2 Provide the option of not wearing a concealment garment.

    6.1.3 Specify the number of rounds in the firearm at the start of the stage, up to division capacity.

    6.1.4 Specify the start condition and position for the firearm, and the start position for ammunition feeding devices.

    6.1.5 Specify the shooter start position.

    The rule book does not say you can't specify the number of rounds required in magazines for reloads:

    3.11 Firearms and magazines must always be loaded to the shooter’s division capacity, unless otherwise specified by the stage description.

    8.1.2.1 All magazines must be loaded to division capacity at the start signal throughout the match except in the following cases:

    8.1.2.3 The CoF description may require reduced magazine loading.

  2. Can we refrain from trying to compare it to real life? Despite what the founders intent is/was, it's a game with guns, a timer and rules to abide by.

    I think people will continue to do that, because it is one of the Fundamental Principles in the rule book:

    1.1.5 Provide shooters with practical and realistic courses of fire, and test skills that could be required to survive life-threatening encounters.

  3. I'm just a lowly A shooter in production and singlestack.

    Lowly?

    Looks like you are in the top 10% of all USPSA shooters if you ask me:

    Correction: Top 13% in SS, and Top 14% in Production.

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  4. Literally no one would shoot minor if they wanted to be competitive.

    OK, a couple of people have mentioned this as a reason.

    What if Divisions were separated by minor & major? So if you shoot Production Major, you are only competing against those shooting Production Major.

    L10 Minor and SS Minor might get more popular too.

  5. I shoot a CZ Tactical Sport for Limited and a 2011 for Open, and they both have pretty dope triggers, but I have also shot and dry fired several different CZ's and one slicked up Tanfo, and I don't think the DA has enough of an effect over the course of a match that it would cost you any places in the standings.

    Yes, but you are ranked Master in Limited. You have put a lot of time and effort in, and the transition is easier for you then a C Class shooter.

    Would your mini popper shot have been easier with a SAO? Yes it would be, but then again maybe you should practice your DA more on tiny targets!

    Hey - I did hit it on the first shot :cheers:

  6. And why does any of that matter is the bigger question?

    Different division rules, equipment, guns.

    He was trying to convince me that if Production added major PF, it would be the exact same as L10. But you nailed it - Different division rules, equipment, guns.
  7. Giving that same guy a full house CZC accushadow or fully slicked up Tanfoglio is a much more accurate representation of what shooting a tricked out 2011 is like.

    I don't buy that for a minute. I have shot a CZC SP-01 Shadow Custom for the last year. It has a nice 2.5# SA pull and short reset. But it's nothing compared to the 2011 triggers of friends I shoot with.

    Another drawback is the DA first pull. Today I shot a stage where I had a mini-popper as the firs target. Did I hit it on the first shot? Yes. Would it have been a lot easier with a Single Action first pull? You damn right.

  8. Pretty similar if I do say so myself.

    Not really.

    Can a Master or Grand Master use either setup and do well? Of course. To them there might be very little difference.

    I'm are not talking about high-end skill here - but your average Joe who is maybe C or B. You know, the majority of USPSA shooters.

    Give that guy a S&W Sigma (its on the list) and a tricked out STI 2011, and see which one he does better with.

  9. Because it would BE L10. (the fancy holsters and mag holders don't actually matter

    You are saying all of these things allowed in Limited give no advantage? Then why do so many Limited shooters use them?

    I think the divisions are quite different:

    Limited = Quick draw race holsters allowed at multiple positions

    Production = Standard, carry type holsters - limited on positioning and distance

    Limited = No restriction on Magazine Carriers, quick draw magnetic allowed, allowed at multiple positions

    Production = Restrictions on type, distance and positioning

    Limited = No restrictions on handgun size or weight

    Production = must fit in the box and make weight

    Limited = Any Make & Model, Multiple modifications and aftermarket accessories allowed including magwells, slide lightening,gas pedals etc.

    Production = Must be on the list, very few modifications allowed, must remain mostly stock, all safeties must remain operational

    Limited = Single Action Only, ultra short & light triggers

    Production = Striker-fired, SA/DA, DAO - must start hammer down

  10. Hello: You could shoot limited 10. Thanks, Eric

    L10 has several equipment advantages: race holsters, mag pouch locations, modifications allowed, gas pedals etc.

    Im talking about competing against others with Production legal guns, but having the option to shoot major.

  11. because if you kept the same 10-round capacity limit, everyone would have to shoot major or else suck. there are several divisions like that already.

    Same reason why not many shoot L10 minor, but at least the option exists.

    Production guns are different than Limited guns, but why not reward additional recoil of 165 PF like the other divisions?

  12. I don't think that the human mind works that way, I think the better you program yourself through repetition the more difficult it is to discard that programming when something changes and you need to do things differently.

    I think you can program yourself for more than one different set of circumstances.

    I have no problem switching between sports. I don't ever drop loaded mags on the run in IDPA, or shoot everything from cover in USPSA.

    I do keep my equipment in a similar configuration, which helps (SSP & Production).

  13. But how do you run any USPSA/Steel Challenge/IDPA "Type" match without being affiliated? Example: oh, yea, our club runs a USPSA like match, we use their rules and their targets, but we don't pay match fees or club dues and course classifiers don't count, but it's still almost a USPSA match. Fine, just don't call it a USPSA match then, call it what it is then. Make up you own local rules for gear/divisions/classed and use straight point plus time scoring. Doesn't mean that it isn't a good match, but it is not a USPSA match.

    We have a USPSA club that puts on 2 monthly matches, and one steel challenge match. Price is $25, or $20 if you are a member of the club. No discounts for being a USPSA member. They get about 50-60 shooters per match, and about 2/3 of the shooters are current USPSA members. There are 1-2 certified ROs that I know of. Squads choose their own RO from within the squad.

    We also have a club nearby that runs a 4-stage "USPSA style" run and gun match for $20. They use USPSA rules, targets, practiscore etc. They do have the freedom to make "non legal" stages, which can be fun. They get about 30-40 shooters per match, and about 1/2 to 2/3 of them are current USPSA members.

  14. Politics aside, isn't that what IDPA does? Do we have any IDPA shooters that can chime in on how it works over there?

    Yes, IDPA rules say after your first match - you are required to join. Is that really enforced? It depends on the club.

    The 2 closest IDPA clubs, about 1/4 to 1/3 are actually current members. Most shooters are not going to Sanctioned matches and don't see the value in the fee. The clubs look the other way.

    On the other hand, Sacramento IDPA regularly gets 120 shooters per monthly match and sells out early. They require shooters to pass an intro clinic and be a current IDPA member.

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