crazyaboutguns

Having attended three Ayoob classes, I disagree. The 1911 firearm was designed and is optimized as an offense weapon for wartime. It was not, and is not presently configured for the legal, moral and practical aspects of self defense, which are by definition responsive to a threat, not initiation of assault.

This forum reeks of scatological language, and censors (edits) freespeech of substance. Hypocrits.

That aspect of me which is broken is my patience with half-truth and misrepresentation by firms and individuals profiting from same.

Other than Para-Ordnance and custom guns with supported chambers, 45 ACP pistols in the 1911 pattern are unsupported. This includes Colt, Springfield, Kimber, etc, also Glock. Blow out of 45 ACP cases when using range brass does occur with reloads which are within SAAMI pressure specifications. Anyone shooting 45 ACP with reloads is well advised to have a supported (ramped) barrel installed. Otherwise, a case blowout with a proper reload will eventually occur, its only a matter of time.

Over the years have shot several thousands, as has a friend. OAL of 1.250" +/- .005" works fine.

The setback to which I referred is due to mechanically applied forces during the gun's feeding process. This setback occurs without firing of a cartridge. It is also dangerous due to unpredictability. Factors which influence setback include the sizing die's dimensions, bullet diameter, bullet hardness, jacketed, or lead, or plated, case elasticity, crimp to a moderate degree, and probably additional factors. Bottom line is, the bullet must not be allowed to be pushed into the case for any reason, whether cycling forces, gas pressure forces, or any other during shooting. The sizing die is the principal method of controlling setback, because a "Coke Bottle" shape supports the bullet at its base, thus is unaffected by those factors listed above. It is also independent of belling diameter and powder funnel dimensions. No matter the brand of sizing die, they seem to differ in dimension of the sized brass from die to die. I have two Hornady dies in 45 ACP. One firmly supports the bullet, the other does not. Also, my Dillon die does not support the bullet. Both of these nonsupporting type dies have resulted in bullets being setback during feeding. The die which did not allow setback sized the brass to produce the "Coke Bottle" shape. As I mentioned in a previous posting, Dillon at one time (mid 1990's) promoted this very feature. Its current dies do not appear to include this feature, and its abscense is a detriment.

My experience, exactly. The Dillon sizing dies of several years ago did produce a, "Coke Bottle"shape, which Dillon advertised and promoted. Dillon sizing dies of the past few years, in 45 ACP, do not do this. Using the sizing dies without, "Coke Bottle", shape cartridges after loading has led me to extensive feeding problems due to the cartridge OAL changing randomly during the feeding cycle. Changed to another sizing die of different manufacture, which did size the brass sufficiently to support the bullet at its base, "Coke Bottle", shape. Tested ten dummy rounds by hand cycling gun, ten times each round. Setback did not exceed .010" on any dummy round after ten feeding cycles. Gun now runs reliably.

That about sums it up. Thank you, Wildman.

Eric: Previous posts have addressed the safety hazard of manually racking a slide quickly, with a LIVE round in the chamber. The 1911 was designed to eject FIRED cases with slide moving quickly, not live rounds. As myself and others have personally witnessed, and stated in our postings, ignition of live rounds during unloading does occur. Extended ejector equipped guns are particularly susceptible. Problems with flipping and attempting to catch the round pertain to diversion of attention of the shooter from the gun, to the round in mid-air. Some people can do this without a problem, most of the time. It is that minority of occassions when a shooter chases his round in mid-air that presents a problem. A DQ after the fact is not a satisfactory rationalization for engaging in a unloading procedure that adds nothing to the sport, and presents a potential, and totally avoidable hazard to the shooter, and every other person on the range. With respect to the tenor of your post, and other posts in which you have expressed disagreement with other posters, the presence of sarcasm in place of sound reasoning diminishes the weight given to your positions, and is rude and abusive to others participating in this forum. Please consider this in the future.

Jim: Good man to accept responsibility for the gun's position. Nonetheless, if the stage design was such as to induce breaking the 180, them the stage was indeed deficient. As to persons electing to position themselves at, or near the 180 position, and the R.O.(s) that allowed them to do so, they are no less errroneous in their action(s), and failure(s) to act, respectively.

Yes, I have observed two burst rounds/injured hands. Probably the worst aspect of this flashy behavior is the shooters attention is momentarily away from the gun. Wandering muzzles, and on one occassion a dropped gun have been observed by me. Leave show boating at home. If a shooter wants to be known for his/her competence with firearms, including how to safely handle them, unload slowly, not theatrically.

Price is fair. Install a set of Hogue grips, if not already equipped.

I am also shooting 165gr bullets in 40 S&W.

Same goal, different paths. I do not agree that the rule needs fixing, though I do understand your position. I cannot offer any other comments on this subject. Apparently we must agree to disagree.

I suggest the easiest, noncontroversial solution to the subject is to load ten rounds maximum in each magazine. Chamber a round after Load And Make Ready, remove mag from gun, insert a mag with ten rounds maximum into the gun. If a shooter chooses to replace one round in the magazine which was utilized to charge the gun, fine. If not, that is also fine. Easy to comply with rules, easy for R.O. to assure compliance, easy for other shooters to observe that each shooter is complying, thus no endless debates at the range after a shooter completes a COF, no potential for a shooter to be bumped to another class. Everyone happy.