SinistralRifleman
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Any tricks for saving time?
I'm curious about the technique and how you setup the shotgun for it.
I'm left handed, so it makes doing everything with the Saiga a lot easier.
On empty I tuck the stock under my shoulder and bring the gun up at an angle in front of me.
knock out the empty magazine with support hand.
pull back the bolt and hit the bolt hold open with my thumb.
insert fresh mag
release the bolt.
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Freds 14+1 mag worked like a charm at Tiger Valley and the 16+1 he just built for someone else worked fine during testing at our match last Sunday. I guess I just may have to sacrifice two of my AGP 10 rounders to to be competitive again!
Bill
You guys should just make it long enough to use as a monopod when you're standing.
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Are you guys getting them to work toped off (10+1)? Mine work fine if I only load 10 in the gun but if I top off it will not load the first round out of the mag.
Same for me too much tension on the top shell if you load 10+1, 9+1 works fine. I load from an open bolt so loading the mags to 10 isn't a problem for me.
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The one exception is if you are in Trooper class at one of the matches that offers it....you can reconfigure it so long as all the gear you use was carried with you for the duration of the match.
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Well we're having our engineer look at a no gunsmithing required rail mount for the Saiga-12...no promises.
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NUTS, I am a lefty with a dominant right eye. With my Carbon-15 I burn my face every time I shoot it. I have decided to either learn to shoot rt handed or get a Stag. unless there is a cure, mag release with the rt thumb is the s--t.
burn your face? does your gun not have a brass deflector?
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Cavalry Arms Double Long Gun Case Made in the USA:
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I do not believe our shooting organizations will have the luxury of being apolitical for much longer.
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Pull fresh mag out with right hand grasping it with the fingers, use right thumb to hit mag release, allow mag to drop out insert fresh mag.
Or if you use mags hooked together as with the Arredondo mag couplers, it's really easy and costs little time, using your right thumb to hit the mag catch while pulling down, and moving the mag over and up.
I prefer to adapt my technique to the gun, rather than adapt the gun to me.
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Alan Samuel shooting his stock Saiga-12 with AGP magazines:
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Those rules look really familiar...
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Assuming we want to keep competitive shooting an amature sport that anyone with the means to afford it can participate in:
We could make this simple and not have any classifications at all, which is what I would prefer. Only have divisions based on equipment. Award trophies in order of finish over all and by division. Award prizes by random drawing.
...or
Assuming we want competitors to be financially motivated to win matches, and turn it into a professional sport where winning finances the ability to shoot more matches.
Have amature and pro-divisions. Pro would be anyone with corporate sponsorships. Make the entry fee higher for pro-division, and give cash pay outs.
...and most of us will watch it on ESPN57 on Sunday mornings rather than participate ourselves.
Thread Drift :oN:Do I love the following!
"I'm not willing to finance the M/GM's prize table".
Let me get this right, people that win should get the same prizes as everyone else? WTF - what the h*ll is the point in working so hard at winning then!
This is one very unique sport that the average guy/gal can shoot the same match and sometimes in the same squad as the big boys/girls. That is one of the things I love about the sport is that I get shoot with and help out everyone I get a chance to at the matches.
Thread Drift :off:
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It gets old donating high dollar items that the top dogs turn around and sell for fraction of what they're worth as soon as they take it off the prize table.
This devalues the sponsors product. The top shooter who won it just in effect publicly said "this isn't worth what they're charging for them, and I have no use for it."
As a sponsor we want as many new people coming out as possible. If people who didn't neccessarily shoot well walk away with something cool, they're going to be back next year. Hopefully they will bring friends. They will be more likely to actually use what we donated, and tell all their friends to buy more products we make. If the sponsors don't see a return on their investment for the product they donated (advertising) they're not going to keep donating prizes.
The top people have corporate sponsorships and will always reccomend the products of the companies they are representing (as they should) over other sponsors.
I think perhaps the top people should get a cash payout, and then everyone could be happy. If you can make a living off shooting all the time, good for you. But that's not what the prize table is there for IMHO.
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I've been running free intro to multi-gun classes for about a year and a half for anyone that is interested to attend. As a result, attendence at the local matches has increased, and more people are getting involved.
Today one of my friends had me run a class for a young men's group from his church. This was the first class I've done that I incorporated some shooting into. Half the class was classroom covering safety rules, range procedures, and scoring. The other half of the class we drove out to the desert and I ran the boys through some shooting drills.
The boys all seemed to have a good time, and they were quick learners. They were enthusiastic, and I won't be suprised if they become actively involved in competitive shooting in the future.
As long as it's convenient for me to do these classes, I'll keep doing them for free. We need more people actively involved in the shooting sports if we want firearms ownership and our shooting sports to continue. If we're not growing, we're dying.
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Rich, I guess we both recognized a need for similar goods and services for the shooting community...see my latest post in our dealer forum.
For the past couple years I've been running a medical kit on the vest I use for 3 Gun. It has several rolls of curlex, ace bandages, a trauma dressing, and quick clot in it. I keep a smaller kit on my pistol belt so something is on me even if I'm not wearing the vest. I've had red cross basic first aid/CPR training. Your squad/team mates should know where your medical gear is on you or in your bags so they can find it if you are the one that is injurred.
At most bigger shooting events we have Brad with us, he's a certified EMT. He keeps a large multiple trauma kit with him at all times. We try to let the people in charge know we have an EMT on site with us in case anything goes wrong. He's treated people, including myself several times, for all kinds of issues in matches and training classes. One of the first things to do at a shooting event is to ask who has medical training and what level to establish a hierarchy should something go wrong. At least one match I have been to contracted EMTs to be standing by in case there was a medical emergency.
The event itself should have medical supplies on site, just in case. Everyone should know where these are.
Depending on the location of the range, it may be more time effective to meet the medics at the major highway, or even to drive to the hospital directly depending on where it is at. Designating a vehicle as an ambulance and letting everyone know where the keys are is an important thing to do. Orient the vehicle so it can pull straight out to get on the road, remember seconds count.
Rich, if you have any other general organizational suggestions I think we'd all like to hear them.
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We use our guns for fun and sport, but let us never forget they are potentially deadly tools. While few people have actually been shot or shot themselves in action shooting competition, it is not an impossibility. Riccochettes can also cause a significant damage. In addition to the use of firearms our sport can be inherently dangerous due to the type of physical activity involved. People can hurt themselves simply taking a fall on a stage.
The simple fact is there are a number of injuries that can and have occurred at shooting competitions. In spite of this, medical supplies and planning are often overlooked by individual shooters, and match staff. The care given in the first few minutes after a life threatening injury can make the difference between life, permanent dehabilitation, and death.
Match Directors, what's your medical plan should something go wrong at your match?
Have you ever had any injuries at your match that required Emergency Medical care?
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Looks like Trooper is taking off...there will be 2 trooper squads in addition to the ROs who will be shooting trooper.
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[/b]The only mod it needs for open division is a red dot sight IMHO
What about staying with the irons, which ones work the best, will it still be considered usable for tactical class?
Under current rules you can't use Saiga-12s in tactical...the detach mag = speed loading device.
The stock rib with bead sight isn't bad. Kreb's Custom makes an Iron sight set up, and Tromix can add HK sights to the gun.
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I tried a new optics set up on my gun this past weekend...an OKO mounted on a weaver rail that attaches to the side rail on the Saiga-12. It turned the gun into a bolt action as shells wouldn't eject propperly as there wasn't enough clearance. It was driving me nuts until I figured out it was the optics mount causing the problem, it looked exactly like a not enough gas issue. Removed the optics mount and it cycled flawlessly for over 150 shells, firing as fast as I could change mags and reload them.
Anyway, this got me thinking about optics choices. Is there a J-point mount that would already work? All the Saiga-12s have a dove tail on the gas tube that would be perfect for a no gunsmithing required install. Should we try to talk JP into making some?
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So where is the best place to pick up a new Saiga 12, 10 round mag, and what are the useful conversions? I read that the bolt will now stay open on an empty mag? True or is that a mod also. Cody
They have manual hold open devices to make loading easier. A few people are experimenting with LRBHO but they require modifying the gun and all the mags.
I would suggest getting the basic gun and then shooting it before deciding what you want to add to it. The only mod it needs for open division is a red dot sight IMHO. Tony does good work, but he is back logged 90-120 days right now. Might as well get the gun and shoot it some before sending it off to get modified.
We have some Saigas for sale here. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry512186
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well they load easy on the factory 5 rounders with the bolt closed as they are...the 10 rounder not so easy.
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You have seen this facility? I'd almost be willing to bet money they don't...
They might assemble mag bodies with springs and followers but I'm real sure they don't make their mag bodies...
I personally know the guy in charge of the project, and he filled me in on almost everything they had to go through to get the military contract. Never seen the facility myself, but even if they aren't doing every step on site...it all has to meet military requirements for quality control, which are pretty stringent. The civilian magazines are made exactly the same way, they just can't have the cage code on them the military ones do.
I know for certain they aren't using C products components. People I know have had problems with C products magazines. People I know at large companies have told me they had problems with C products magazines. The most critical step in making AR15 magazines is welding the two halves together...if this isn't done consistently there will be problems.
I am frequenlty amused by these "guess the original source" posts I see all over various gun forums....the only thing that matters is the one on the side. That is the company you will be dealing with when you have problems. So what if you know who really made it. It doesn't have their name on it, and they're not going to help you. Brownells did put out a bad bunch of magazines from a certain subcontractor, a few years ago...they replaced all these mags with new good ones for anyone that wanted them, or issued refunds. I have a couple new Brownell's mags and they work just fine
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I don't think Brownell's will admit it but I was told C Products LLC made their 20s and 30 rounds mags. Look close especially at the curved 20s...
Brownells Manufacturing division makes their magazines...they set up their own production facility after problems with a previous outsourced vendor.
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I have 6 mags and they all work great. I ran some super cheap stuff Sat. and I had a crowd around wanting to know what I was shooting. I also did a mod. to the underside of the bolt, mags mags changes on a closed bolt a whole lot easier. Stay Tuned!!!
We just got a bunch of new Saigas in today to sell (kept one for myself), looks like all the new ones are coming with the bolt ramped like you showed in your pic. I did a quick check with some dummy shells in a mag and loading was super easy compared to my other gun without that feature.
With that I should be able to get reloads down to around 3 seconds.
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2006...a guy on our squad had his 1100 CM die on him, he had to drop out of trooper to finish the match with only 3 stages left. In previous years I've seen all manner of guns choke and die on people. In recent years I've seen less problems than when I first started shooting the match. Maybe people have gotten the hint and got their gear squared away better.
...anyway take it as a warning, pound on your guns before you get there. Bring cleaning supplies including rigid cleaning rods to get cases unstuck (watching someone try to do that on the clock makes you wince), and spare parts/guns.
Car Buffer Vs. Rifle Buffer Tube
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The buffer weight matters more than the length. You can get carbine buffers that are the same weight as rifle buffers. Always use the correct length buffer in the tube...several years ago there were some people who thought using CAR buffers in their rifle tubes made the gun cycle faster, it may have but it will damage the lower.