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I did this back in 2004, it felt like I was dying the whole time. I did finish though. You should all give it a try once, it is a humbling experience for those of us not in top physical shape.
Preface:Gentlemen,
In light of the past few years experience, there will be some changes to the 2007 Run ’n Gun ’n the Sun. The date is Saturday, August 18. The past few years we were probably guilty of “trying to be everything to everybody,” and that has lead to a general over complication of the affair. This year, we get back to basics.
There will not be any divisions, classes, pistols, or required weights. Show up ready to run with a capable rifle and enough ammunition.
The course will not change. It will be approximately six miles, cross-country, with four opportunities to excel with your rifle interspersed along the way. You are responsible for your own water, and everything else. There will not be water at the ranges or along the route, nor cleaning rods to remove a stuck case, nor anything else. You will be self-contained. If possible, there will be a group camping out at the range the night before. All are welcome and encouraged to camp that night. A convoy will leave the morning of the 18th from the Flying J truck stop in Pecos at 0500 hrs, sharp. With luck we will start early, finish early, and have a good time at the banquet that night.
Required attitude:
The Run ‘n Gun is roughly a center-fire biathlon. The competition is the project of a half-dozen men who belong to the Pecos Rifle Club. The Club has less than 12 members. In short, manpower is limited. We created the run as a fun way to test man and equipment and to have something to train for throughout the year.
Our priorities: First is safety. Second is to have an enjoyable event for everyone concerned. Many of our members run in the event. Many competitors are also required to act as range officers either before or after they run the course. Good attitudes are required. If a minor hitch in plans will ruin your whole day this event is not for you.
Basics:
Run Order: Runners will run in a predetermined order that best suits the needs of the event. As we have not found a way to reliably enlist a full-compliment of range officers for this event, competitors will be asked to serve as range officers. One set of RO’s will begin the event at their ranges, and then run last. A second set will run first, and finish the day as range officers. Volunteer range officers who are selected for duty will receive an extra T-shirt for their service and drink on Smokey’s tab at the banquet. RO’s will be selected to best facilitate an efficient and safe event.
Stopwatch: All runners must carry a stopwatch of some kind. If a range is in use when a runner arrives it is the runner’s duty to start his stopwatch and show the range officer how long he had to wait. This time will be noted by the range officer and taken off the final run time. This will happen. You cannot avoid it in a match like this. Be prepared.
Recommended gear: Semi-automatic rifle and spare magazines, one gallon of liquid, 80 rounds of ammunition, cleaning kit/ruptured case extractor, running shoes or boots.
Timing Gear: All timing will be done with stopwatches. Time starts on the RO’s command and stops when the last round is either down range, or the last reactive target is hit, depending on the course of fire.
Courses of Fire:
* All CoF’s and scoring are subject to change up to the beginning of the race on account of weather, available range officers, live stock on the range, etc….
* There are no shooting position requirements at any stage of the match. Any position allowed by terrain is allowed, as are all slings, scopes, rests and magic potions. If you want to carry it 6 miles, you can use it.
• The procedure for each range will be the same. The shooter will approach the range. If it is busy, he will start his stopwatch. When the range is clear and the RO is ready for you he will ask you your name, record your wait time, if any, and then escort you to the firing line. Until you are given the command to do so, DO NOT begin to make ready. Once on the line, the RO will ask,
“Do you understand the course of fire?”
• Then the RO will give the prefatory command of, “Ready.” Then the RO will say, “Go.” At that point you may load your weapon and begin the course of fire.
(There is no “make ready” period. Competitors will make ready once their time has begun)
When you complete the course of fire, unload your weapon, make it safe, present it safely to the RO so that he can verify that there is no round in the chamber and no loaded magazine inserted. On verifying that your weapon is safe, the RO will give you the command to continue on the running course. IT IS THE COMPETITOR’S RESPONSIBILITY TO VERIFY THAT THE RO HAS RECORDED HIS SCORE CORRECTLY, BEFORE LEAVING THE STAGE.
Stage One: Take the Hill: (only one shooter on the range at a time) There will be two gongs situated approximately 200 yards from the beginning firing line. On the RO’s command, the shooter will engage and hit both targets with as many rounds as necessary to score one hit on each. Shooter will then advance to the second third and fourth firing lines, repeating the process at each firing line. Each gong must be hit once before the shooter can advance. When the second gong is hit at the fourth firing line, time stops. Your score will be the amount of time it took for you to successfully engage all targets. Maximum time is four minutes. If you cannot complete the course of fire in the four-minute time limit you will receive zero points for this stage. There is no max or min round count, or any required shooting positions or restrictions.
Stage Two: Defend the Hill: (only one shooter on the range at a time) There will be five steel gongs at approximately 300 yards. On the RO’s command the competitor must score a hit on each target. Your score will be the amount of time it took for you to successfully engage all targets. Maximum time is four minutes. If you cannot complete the course of fire in the four-minute time limit you will receive zero points for this stage. There is no max or min round count, or any required shooting positions or restrictions.
Stage Three: Ten Rounds for Record: There will be one or more steel gongs at approximately 200 yards. On the RO’s command the shooter will engage his target with ten rounds. Your score will be the number of hits (0-10). Time limit is two minutes. Any rounds unfired after two minutes will count as misses.
Stage Four: Take Your Time, Quickly: There will be several paper targets (standard SR-2s probably) at approximately 200 yards. The RO will assign you a target. On the RO’s command you will engage your target with 20 rounds. Scoring is Comstock (total hits divided by total time). Maximum time limit
is four minutes. Exceeding the time limit will earn the competitor a zero for this stage.
Banquet: We plan to have a banquet Sunday night in Pecos. All competitors’ meals are covered in the entry fee. All guests will be charged at cost to the club. Better halves and children are very welcome. HQ – Our facilities on the range are very rough. There is an outhouse. There is no running water. Shade is limited. Bring some of both. No electricity either. Snakes are common.
Emergency services: The past three years we have had an EMT on hand all day. We plan to do so again, however there is always the possibility that the ambulance and the EMT will be on a call. You will be at least one hour away from the closest medical services and cell phones often do not work. Please plan accordingly.
Questions: Please do not hesitate to call Smokey Briggs at either 432-943-4313 (Monahans) or 432-445-5475 (Pecos) or 432-445-5155 (Home) or contact by email: smokey@pecos.net.
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Great stuff!
And you look a little too comfortable as a jihadist...
Alex
I was directing/filming, not one of the jihadists :-P
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We filmed a new video for our youtube guerilla marketing campaign today, it's a parody of 1950s style PSA's.
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even though I have a 3-9x scope on one of my rifles I use often, I rarely use the magnification above 4.5X
an optic with a high end magnification of 3-4X is fine for 3 Gun.
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I am betting the chamber is probably tight on that barrel, particularly when you start shooting it a lot and it gets hot. This might be wearing out your extractor prematurely.
Is the gas block steel or aluminum? Aluminum heats and cools at different rates than steel, this can cause gas bleed off and may make the gun not cycle. Aluminum will also erode from the gas going through it. I only recommends using steel gas blocks.
Blue locktite will cook out no problem, use red locktite.
For best results as far as reliability is concerned, use 5.56mm NATO chrome lined barrels with pinned on steel gas blocks.
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The guns people use for self-defense should be the ones they shoot all the time or copies there of with all the operating controls in the same place. If you shoot a semi-auto all the time in competition, but keep a pump gun for home defense, are you going to want to have to think about running the gun on a conscious level should the time come? Or would you rather have your mind free from thinking about running the gun, as you've done it thousands of times, and now it's at a subconscious level, so you can focus on fighting and surviving. I've seen a couple guys at the local matches that usually shoot autos bring the pump gun out for a day to play, and they're a mess....you think you'll do better under life and death stress?
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Round count is 102 if you double tap all the paper and hit all the steel on the first shot, 64 if you A Zone all the paper (or C-Zone or better for battle rifle cartridges) and hit all the steel on the first shot.
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He was an all around nice guy and enthusiastic about shooting, our community will be for the worse without him. I didn't know him well, but I think we would all be lucky to enjoy life as much as Stewart seemed to every time we ran into him on the range.
My condolences to his family.
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If the big american being mean to them upsets them, I am sure getting shot at by insurgents would upset them a whole lot worse and would be even more "insensitive"
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
I know it isn’t afternoon anymore, but it is still Friday…at least for 4 more hours… These will be posted on the web ASAP.
I would first and foremost like to thank all of you for your patience in this trying time! I am awed and oh so grateful for the Ironman shooters. I am continually impressed by the high caliber of individuals who wait patiently (or almost) nearly a week for the results. We have been working assiduously to get these out and since the words “Delayed Gratification” are not in my personal vocabulary, I can WELL understand how all of you feel.
You will receive another email re: housekeeping items on Monday regarding lost and found and a few other things…
If any of you know Shelly Beale, Tammy Sullivan, or Tony Troutman you owe them your thanks. All of them have been working diligently all week (even taking time off work) to get these done as quickly as possible.
I have inserted the results below and have attached the complete results as well.
DPMS/Heavy Rifle winner – TATE MOOTS – Tate will also receive a killer rifle donated by DPMS
Trooper Winner – Brandon Angell – Brandon will receive an M1-A donated by Springfield Armory
DLBF Trooper – Ronald Harris – He will be receiving a Rifle donated by Cavalry Arms
Scoped Tactical Winner – Dave Neth
Limited Winner – Scott Kurtz
Open Winner – Matt Burkett
High Lady Goes to Roxanna Durham
High Law/Mil goes to Dave Neth
High Sr. goes to TJ Reeder
Ironuguy (that’s Iron Nu Guy, in case you don’t know) goes to Dennis Larsen. Dennis will also receive an AWESOME holster donated by EJ Redding of M & B Strategies.
DLBF – This is the Dead Last But Finished (don’t laugh, we’ve all been there!) This goes to John Stamp who will also be receiving a holster donated by EJ Redding of M & B Strategies. This way you’ll look good no matter how the shoot goes!
Below are the places that will receive trophies. Please make sure your name is spelled correctly as they will be personalized and mailed out.
BASED ON OVERALL PERCENTAGES WITHIN EACH SPECIFIC CLASS
Grand Master 95-100%
Master 85-94.9%
A 75-84.9%
B 60-74.9%
C 40-59.9%
D 2-40%
OPEN
Overall – Matt Burkett 100%
2nd Overall Open Robert Johnson 66.86%
3rd Overall Open Todd Crow 63.76%
1st B Class Ernest Durham 62.94%
1st C Class Travis Gibson 56.43%
2nd C Class Lyle Beale 52.08
1st D Class Larry Correia 34.98%
Limited
Overall Scott Kurtz 100%
2nd Overall Randy Stevens 94.75%
3rd Overall John Bagakis 94.53%
Scoped Tactical
Overall Dave Neth 100%
2nd Overall Bennie Cooley 92.01%
3rd Overall Bryan Cook 72.32%
1st B Class Sterling White 70.50%
2nd B Class Russell Batt 70.26%
3rd B Class Aaron Goodfellow 68.21%
1st C Class Dan Ward 59.50%
2nd C Class Dennis Larsen 58.18%
3rd C Class Gary Mowery 58.03%
4th C Class Andy Horner 57.74%
5th C Class Joe Durnbaugh 56.58%
1st D Class Eric Rogers 39.08%
2nd D Class Mario Chan 38.44%
3rd D Class Bryce Woodberry 37.79%
DPMS/Leupold Heavy Rifle
Overall Tate Moots 100%
2nd Overall Phillip Brodahl 87.66%
3rd Overall Jerod Johnson 78.56%
1st A Class David Letsch 75.62%
1st B Class Bruce Reid 68.07%
1st C Class Mark Gale 57.53%
1st D Class Ira Smith 39.97%
Trooper Class
Overall Brandon Angell 100%
2nd Overall Kevin Elpers 91.74%
3rd Overall Russell Phagan 78.64%
1st B Class Marcus Carter 74.47%
1st C Class Eryk Chidester 59.71%
1st D Class Ronald Harris 36.85%
Again, thanks to all of you for your patience. I can’t tell you how much it has been appreciated. Have a great weekend!
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BTT only a few weeks to go.
Several classic shooters have signed up...compete in class for a ye olde good tyme.
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Where does one buy magic ninja powder??? I need some to use on other competitors.
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Stephen is a Trooper Casualty, so he'll get his own video mixxed to some suitably whiney emo music
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Trooper Squad 1 Video:
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Far too much potential for abuse.
People should not be permanently denied their rights without due process.
The NRA should not be actively working with our enemies.
They won't need to ban guns when they just keep reducing the number of people who can have them. Not everyone with a domestic violence charge is a danger to anyone or their ex, not everyone referred for involuntary mental health treatment (including counseling) is a danger to them self or others, especially not permanently. And yes, military mental health records will likely be used as part of this. Anyone who really wants a firearm will get them somewhere, this won't stop the next Cho. The next one could just as easily decide to make an bomb with what he learned in chemistry class to blow up his school rather than shoot the place up.
The NRA doesn't represent me and never will so long as they play the death of 1,000 cuts game:
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What do Troopers do when they run out of ammo?
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All the stages were really good this year. They eliminated a lot of the repetitive and near impossible stuff that 90% of the shooters simply couldn't do or was more a matter of luck that was there in years past. The stages ran more smoothly as a result, and seemed to have a more logical order in shooting them. I don't think the round count really suffered at all, and we still did as much shooting. My favorite was the blind stage. The way that range was set up was cool (running through the trench), and it really seperated those who have good mindset from those who don't.
By popular demand amongst the Trooper shooters, next year all the optional things like the tower climb, and the zip line will be mandatory for those in Trooper class.
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I saw three at Ironman, all three had jam issues during my stage (day 3, with only a few stages to go), which is too bad, because all three shooters had the reloads nailed... 10 rounds very fast!
I had one malfunction at ironman with mine on day 3 on stage 11. One of the slugs I was shooting had the front edge crushed a bit and didn't chamber when the previous round was fired. Simply racking the bolt chambered it and the rest of stage it cycled fine. I should have paid closer attention to the shells I was loading into the mags, but it really didn't cost me much time. I had one operator enduced malfunction on stage 1 on day one. I didn't fully seat the magazine, so when I picked the gun up the mag fell out (oops). I simply locked the mag back in and finished the stage.
There were two other guys on my squad using Saigas, that had issues with them. As far as I could tell a lot of the problems others had were as a result of lack of maintenance, or the shells they were using had issues feeding from the magazine or cycling the action. One of the guys on my squad ditched his Saiga and finished the match with his M2...which had it's own unique problem of the last shell out of the tube consistently not coming out on the carrier far enough to get chambered. Another M1 on our squad had the rear sight come loose, and required duct taping back on. A winchester SX2 had the stock come loose, again another duct tape fix required. And the 2 1100s on our squad had intermittent failures of various kinds too.
Overall I felt using the Saiga was a big advantage for me, and allowed me to focus more on shooting than reloading. They do require maintenance of both gun and magazine, and selection of appropriate loads to run. I think the pay off in speed is worth it if you're willing to dedicate the time to understanding and becoming proficient with the gun.
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I think it's important that your carry guns be as similar in operation to all the other handguns you shoot all the time as possible.
I open carry a Glock 34 with X200 most of the time here in AZ, and I pocket carry a Glock 26. When I want to Conceal carry only I just take off the glock 34 and leave the 26 in my pocket. I have 2 Identical Glock 34s, one I shoot for competition most often, and the carry gun I use for competition less regularly.
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The rifle in question with the 3-9x MKIV was zeroed at 100 yards. One click up actually put it just over 1" high at 100 yards in the several groups I shot. I understand simply turning one click might not result in true adjustment sometimes, so I turned past where I wanted it then turned back down. With the same result.
The other rifle I was talking about that was zeroed at 50 yards is my 16" with Leupold CQT. I reconfirmed zero on it and it is good for windage and elevation at 50 yards. This zero works well enough for me hitting the larger targets out to 300 we encounter in 3 Gun.
The 20" Rifle with 3-9x, I usually save for matches like the Ironman where there will be more shooting at distance on smaller targets.
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The windage clicks are 1/2 MOA and the Elevation Clicks are 1 MOA on the MKIV MRT I have. IIRC I was told they made them like that so you can get 800 yards of elevation in one full turn rather than two.
I hit the gopher targets a few times at 300+ today when my nerves were steady enough. These are only about 4" across. The larger plates at 200-300 I didn't have trouble with.
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Went back to the range today. One click left for windage got the group centered around the middle.
I forgot that my elevations clicks are 1MOA not 1/2. 1 Click up put it too high, so I left elevation where it was. Close enough I suppose.
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