Carmoney

Thanks for taking this in the manner I posted, sarcastic jest, I love REVO Chris and hope it grows, no matter which direction it grows in. I love the shooting sports and the shooters, even Mike!!! I even have a few good cigars for Mike next time I have the pleasure to shoot with him. Love me or hate me, I don't care, I do love the shooting sports and will do my best to help them grow. Awesome--I am definitely planning to take you up on those cigars, John--first round of beers is on me!

Good--seems like a positive trend, at least in that particular piece of geography.

John, I'm sorry if it came across like I was trying to squelch your opinion. That wasn't fair of me. I'm just sensitive about this whole issue right now. I've shot one match since the 8-minor rule went into effect, and caught flak because the classifier they happened to select was one of those that got suddenly shitcanned on Feb. 1. Like it was my fault. The 8-shot thing was started out of a genuine and good-hearted desire to improve participation in Revolver division. I hate the fact that it has upset people, and that problems have developed. I hate the fact that I finally feel excited about shooting my revolvers again--that my own interest in the division is rejuvenated--only to find others grumbling and embittered about it. We will see what happens, but I really sincerely hope that everybody gives it a fair chance.

Exactly. Enough with the sour grapes routine.

Which is exactly the reaction the opponents of 8-minor wanted to see. Too bad I can't get away with starting a "Last Shot Fired" thread for those oh-so-precious departed classifiers.

Mission accomplished, Flex. You got exactly the reaction you wanted.

There's no reason for non-revolver guys to even have an opinion on this. The rule change has no meaningful effect on them at all. Classifiers getting dropped? Who cares. Regardless, better to get bashed but still have a Revolver Division in which to compete, Bosshoss. We were not going to survive at the previous participation levels. I hope the rule change makes a difference, but I'm not holding my breath. But--having already signed up for Revolver Division at most of the major USPSA matches in my area, I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I hope everybody else who enjoys shooting revolvers in competition does the same thing. I don't want to win plaques or prizes by default.......I want lots of good healthy competition in the division.

At last year's USPSA Revo Nats, Jerry shot 75% A hits, with no penalties. It was one of the cleanest matches I have seen him shoot. But that would be a lot of points down if he were saddled with minor scoring.

OK, there are no top guys who have no problem shooting As all the time. The top guys are always pushing the speed envelope, and they shoot plenty of Cs and Ds. Minor sucks. The people who think that 8-minor is a "no-brainer" are not factoring in the serious handicap that minor scoring creates, for all of us. If the match is designed to be mostly 6-round neutral, the winning gun will almost assuredly be a 625. It will depend on how the stages are set up.

It's all about stage design. I absolutely guarantee you Jerry will be ready to go with both 6 and 8, and will decide which gun to use after he sees the stages. You gotta remember this is PASA. They understand this stuff, and may have already decided to make the match 6-neutral in order to quiet down the complainers. They have always designed the SSN to favor the major 1911s, and they may do the equivalent for Revo. All they would need to do is pull, or move, a few targets here and there.

Are those videos available from www.joshextraordinaire.com?

In what industry? The Filipino 1911 industry? C'mon now, everybody knows what I do for a living.

Can I complain about the fact that my CR Speed rig keeps dumping my gun, when I don't pay enough attention? ;-)

I'm torn between selling or converting it to .460 Rowland, leaning towards the latter. Nah, you can load our own stuff in .45 ACP brass that will perform just as well. My old pin load was a 255-gr. hard-cast SWC going around 1050 fps. That's good enough for most field use in the lower 48.

With a revolver shooting major loads, you can forget about all that pitty-pat stuff like "hold the gun like you're shaking hands" and "let the gun recoil." You have no reciprocating slide to absorb energy or impart a downward push. The only thing controlling the recoil is your grip and the musculature behind it. Grab the gun with your strong hand and hang on as hard as you can. Then wrap your weak around that and hang on as hard as you can. Get your shoulders out in front of your pelvis and lean into it.

There were two of us. As Bubber would say, I finished next to last.

Dave, I think when the official calibration gun failed to take down those poppers three separate times in a row, that pretty well establishes that it wasn't my load! Overall, I believe my little 95-gr. zingers take steel just as well as the heavy bullets loaded to the same P.F. I have not done any testing, but I will tell you that I have shot a lot of matches with my 95-gr. 9mms over the past several years (including a bunch of major USPSA matches, Big Dawgs, and Pro-Am matches), and frankly I wouldn't be using that load if it were iffy on steel.

I heard the same whiney-ass bitching at a match I shot over the weekend. There are still plenty of classifiers to choose from.

That has always been the conventional wisdom, but on the other hand I shot most of the last 3 seasons with Production and SS pistols in 9mm, shooting minor loads of 95-gr. MG JHP at around 1350fps, and had no problems taking down steel.

I don't think you'll ever be able to make it look right with weld added. You'd probably be money (time) ahead starting over on another hammer. I got a better idea.......how about grinding it into a smooth contour, then removing material from the same place on the opposite side of the hammer to make it symmetrical? That would give it a cool sorta wasp-waisted look. Or, if you don't need to keep the ILS functional, just do a full Carmonize job and cut off that whole back part completely.

Just out of curiosity, I chronoed my short colts, and they are at 131 PF from the gun I shot at the WIIT. That's with ice cold ammo straight out of my range bag that was left in the car all night long in single-digit temperatures. I don't think I have an ammo problem, although a little more power might be a good thing. Interestingly, my 6.5" 27-7 (the gun I shot) is the slower of my match guns. My 5" 627-5 shot the same load at 137 PF. So from here on, I believe I will run my 5" 627 in USPSA matches, where I could use a little more power for steel, and save the 27-7 for steel and ICORE matches. Another good reason for that is I had yet another issue with my CR Speed holster releasing my gun unintentionally. They had a stage where you had to start lying face-down on a padded bench--on the start signal, you rolled off the side, grabbed your gun off a low table to shoot the stage. During my walk-through, I did a practice roll-out and my 27-7 popped right through the lock and nearly fell on the floor--luckily one of the holes in the front of the cylinder happened to come straight down on the little muzzle peg at the bottom of the holster. I froze in place and called for an RO, and eventually we were able to get the gun loose, although it was stuck on there very tightly--it took real force to free the gun. I run the frickin' CR Speed rig only with the 6.5" gun because of the long barrel--otherwise, I use a Blade-Tech kydex holster for my 5" guns. Another reminder that speed holsters are not worth the hassle.

I didn't try to figure that out, Gregg. I think this match favored the 8-shot. I definitely saved some reloads, but several of those extra reloads would have been on the move where they don't eat up much time. My hits were good, but I think I was a little more tentative than normal, knowing I needed more A hits with the minor scoring. I was sorta shooting in ICORE mode, know what I mean? One other factor--they had a couple big steel poppers that must have been calibrated a little too heavy, because they did not go down even with perfectly centered hits. This happened to me twice, on two separate stages. Both times I went ahead and shot them down with a second shot, but it threw me off plan and hurt my performance on those stages. My ammo has been tested over multiple chronographs and runs 133 p.f. (using 142-gr. MGs). I view this as a downside of the 8-shot revolver that I had not really considered. This would not have happened with my 625. With a production or SS minor pistol, a recalcitrant popper is not usually a big deal, because you normally have some extra rounds in the gun--with an 8-shot revolver, you may not have that extra round to spare, and it may force you to make an extra unplanned reload. We all hate those, right? Makes me wonder if running a little hotter ammo might make sense--especially for local level matches where they may not always have the steel well-calibrated? With my world repository of loaded .38 Short Colts, I think I'm just gonna need to remember to aim a little high on big poppers!

You mean in Revolver Division specifically right? Cuz I've seen 8 shot revos in "sanctioned USPSA events" before...just not in the Revolver Division. Correct--by capitalizing Revo in the thread title I meant Revolver Division, but I have clarified the original post.

OK guys, I believe I was the very first competitor in the U.S. to legally compete in Revolver Division with an 8-shot revolver--firing all 8 rounds between reloads--in a sanctioned USPSA event. I was the only wheelgunner in the morning rotation of day one of the WIIT indoor championship at the Pine Tree Pistol Club in Rockford, Illinois. We began shooting at 7:00 a.m. central time on February 1, 2014, and I was the first shooter on the squad. I fired 8 shots on the first array (2 paper and 4 steel poppers), then reloaded and finished out the stage. Can anybody prove me wrong? Did anyone on the east coast get in ahead of me? Either way, I had a lot of fun today. 8-shot revolver is a great platform to shoot. Everybody should try it, at least once.

I'm already signed up and squadded. Other wheels, feel free to jump on my squad.