RaylanGivens
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I'm shooting the World Speed Shoot in PASA this year for the first time.
I'm looking for a good hotel to stay at... Something on the east side of the range if possible... I'm driving and will leave the range and drive east to I75 and south back to Florida... Thanks!
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I think things are fine the way they are... Options 3 and 4 are ok as long as you make them optional.
I've talked to Troy about a separate Steel Challenge RO program... He is dead set against it... He even wrote an article in the USPSA newsletter saying why he is against it.
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On 8/23/2022 at 11:32 AM, Joe4d said:
doing that is just enabling.
SC folks just need to collectively stop renewing. Would get fixed a day after a major gets canceled due to lack of RO's
I'm not sure how many USPSA shooters and AD's would care if a Steel Challenge match was cancelled...
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On 8/19/2022 at 7:04 PM, zzt said:
So what do you do? The rules don't have a penalty for that.
Why would there be a penalty? As long as you're under a minute you're good to go.
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If you want to take a couple of sight pictures or whatever... Tell the RO you'll say 'Ready' when you're ready to shoot... Just don't go over the minute... Lots of shooters around here do that.
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Keep them out of the direct sun if possible... Just keeping them in the shade when possible helps a lot.
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4 hours ago, zzt said:
I don't see the point of buying Eley minor 9 ammo at those prices. I can buy all the factory 9mm I want for 15 to 16 cents per round.
I don't use it, but I imagine it is a lower power factor than most boxed high power ammo... Get some of the advantages of reloading without reloading.
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18 hours ago, mrvip27 said:
do they only make it in 38 super comp? what about 9 major?
I don't know... I didn't see any on their web site...
They just came out with five different versions of 9mm minor...
https://www.eleyammunition.com/minor9_competition_pistol_pcc_rounds/
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Don't see them too often down here... Most people seem to use zippered cases or converted baby carts.
They seem to offer a greater chance to sweep yourself, but no issues as long as the shooter is careful.
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A lot of people down here shoot ELEY's major power factor loaded ammo.
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https://nroi.org/miscellaneous/steel-challenge-range-officers/
I found a link to the article I mentioned in an earlier post where Troy McManus discusses requests for separate Steel Challenge (SCSA) Range Officers class... You can read Troy's thoughts in the link above.
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On 2/24/2022 at 11:40 AM, Rich406 said:
its basically one guy making the timers in his spare time.
He is now full time... Like the automotive industry, he is having trouble getting parts.
For those of you waiting for a return email, make sure you are sending it to the correct address... He is usually prompt... Send a follow up email.
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On 4/22/2022 at 8:31 PM, Squirrel45 said:
Hi Everyone,
I for the life of can not find a complete chart for division / classes. Most of them are just screen shoots from something that is out of context. Would anyone know where there is a current chart that shows what the thresholds are to each division and class ?
thanks
Squirrel
https://uspsa.org/viewer/2021-SCSA-Rulebook-March-2021.pdf
There's a link to the current SCSA rules... Open it and scroll down to page 48... Appendix "D"... It has all the SCSA Division rules... Maybe the "D" in Appendix "D" stands for divisions...
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2 hours ago, xpierrat said:
Yea I believe you could do it in a day.... not having to learn the complexities of USPSA scoring alone will save a large amount of time... should not need any time out on the range either... could all be done in the classroom a experienced SC RO could teach a certified class with a proper text book IMHO
The second day of the RO class is mostly running shooters on a test stage... I think it's important to run some actual shooters in the RO class before you run shooters in a real match...
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5 hours ago, motosapiens said:
i think it would be a pain to try to schedule separate RO seminars. right now you can take the uspsa RO class and it takes almost no time and effort to get the steel certification as well. If there were a steel-only certification, would you be able to do it in less than a day and a half?
They schedule separate RO and CRO classes... And they aren't free... The USPSA gets paid for them...
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9 hours ago, Gregg K said:
This is very disappointing. I would love to have some certified Steel Challenge RO's at the matches. I'm pretty sure that I'm one of few in my local area, maybe the only since I've never met another. The plain facts are my local guys are never going to go through a USPSA certification to get a Steel Challenge endorsement. USPSA is a bunch of running around, my guys don't want to move 6 feet between 2 boxes on one stage.
We shoot a lot of USPSA matches... Several per week... Almost all of or SCSA RO's come from our pool of USPSA RO's and CRO's... Several of us have taken the SC Endorsement... very painless... all online.
Troy also mentioned in his article that someone with a primary interest in SC should tell the instructor during the class and he would then take some time to explain some of the differences between SC and USPSA matches... SCSA is certainly the step child in this arrangement...
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On 4/21/2022 at 12:17 PM, bigdawgbeav said:
At the WSSC there is going to be a Members' Meeting on Saturday. As of right now I'm planning on attending. Wanted to reach out for input as to what subjects you might like to see addressed.
I have a couple so far:
- SC-Only RO certification (not just an add-on)
- More stages - USPSA has dozens of different classifiers to choose from, maybe time to add some more options to SC?
- Reduced distance options for Speed Option and Outer Limits
Feel free to make your own suggestions. I'll try to represent as much as I can.
Troy discussed this in one of his recent NROI articles... He is dead set against it... The timing of his article makes me wonder if it was preemptive for this discussion... I'm not against it, this is just a heads up.
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On 12/12/2021 at 2:36 PM, Hoops said:
4. Tandemkross DoubleCross Magazine (with original Ruger 10 rd internals) Note: A friend of mine who uses a Kidd receiver had reliabilty issues with the Ruger mags. The DoubleCross mags resolved his issues using Ruger internals.
I started having FTF (Failure to Feed) issues with my Wiland 10/22 about a month ago... The extractor pulls the empty case out and the next round slides up and jams between the top of the barrel and the receiver... It's a hard jam... You have to pull the bolt back and release the magazine to clear the rifle... This was using original Ruger clear 10 round rotary mags... I had been using them for about a year with no issues.
After the first coupe of jams, I tried my TandemKross DoubleKross practice magazines... They worked flawlessly for the rest of the match... I put three of them together when I first built my Wiland 22... They have all Ruger internals.
Bought a couple of Ruger Black 22 rotary magazines... More jams... Revert to my TK DK mags and they work perfectly.
Reduced the spring pressure in the new black Ruger mags to 8 flats... The same as my clear ruger mags and my Practice TK mags that run... More jams... TK mags continue to run even though I have never cleaned them in over a year.
Bought a new TK DK mag with all TK parts this time... Assembled it with 8 flats spring pressure and it also works perfectly... Shot a practice session with over 200 rounds on the TK mags yesterday... no jams.
I have changed many parts on the gun trying to get it to run with the Ruger mags again... It jams every time until I switch to the TK DK magazines, then perfection... Finally a question:
@Hoops Do you know what your friend did to solve his problems with Ruger magazines not working and TK magazines working?
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On 12/30/2021 at 1:39 PM, zzt said:
So I decided the mags needed cleaning. I disassembled them completely and picked up the the first body. There were raised wax rings around the inside top and bottom. It was also black when you looked at it from the inside. There was also carbon buildup on the curve atop the hole the feed lips goes in. I wiped the carbon and the plastic shattered into three pieces and the top of the hole was exposed. I turned it around and tried to very gently glean the other side and the same thing happened. So be careful cleaning that carbon. It is hard.
So the moral of this story is be careful cleaning, and do it often. I visually inspect the mags often. Believe it or not, you can't see this stuff with the guts still in the mag.
Are you saying that the magazine shattered into three pieces when you cleaned the wax ring inside them? Did you use a cotton ball or a Q-Tip or something soft like that to clean them? That's a catastrophic failure for sure... Maybe the ultrasonic cleaner affected the plastic?
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On 12/23/2021 at 5:11 PM, PeterParfinik said:
I totally agree, and also have have encountered trouble with the clear magazines more often than the black ones. So I just went back to using all black ones and have had much better operational success.
The only reason I use the clear magazines is because I like seeing the rounds... I can look in my case and check all six magazines in a second to make sure they're full... Secondary reason would be to see how dirty they are.
Do you drill a hole so you can check to make sure the 10th round is loaded? ...or just load each magazine until you can't fit another round in?
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Several of you have mentioned polishing your Ruger metal feed lips... I have never polished mine, although I do wipe the carbon off the front of the feed lip every time I reload a magazine... They seem very porous and rough.
Are you guys just using a Dremel polishing wheel and buffing them out?
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15 hours ago, Hoops said:
Rotation: Last fall I had a conversation with TK about their rotary magazine tool kit. I told them that it was visually easier for me mark one side of the T handle and turn it 2 revolutions after I snugged the rotary stop and then seat it (which could be a little more forward). He took one of his and did the same and agreed it was a good method for consistency and use of their tool.
I agree 100% I make a similar mark on the outside of the T-handle... a second mark on the top flat of the nut when it is turned so the the extended part of the rotor stops... and a third mark on the flat where the bolt wants to end up... Makes it much easier for me to know that I got the correct number of turns visually... Without those reference points, I'm not as confident that I got the right number of turns (flats)
15 hours ago, Hoops said:Green Springs: I have converted all of my TK doubles to green springs and I keep spares on hand. The tension on the spring is not uniform and torque is controlled from pinned hole in the rear. What I have found (and I may take down and clean mags a bit more often that other's do) is the free end of the spring at the nut can get torque stressed and will actually begin to deform there ....some more than others. This was more evident to me on the factory spring and much less on the TK green springs....so the green springs for me have been much more durable....longer life.
I never thought about the spring actually bending... I only considered it wearing out... I'll have to check for that when I clean my magazines... At the least,I'll feel confident using the TK green springs if I need to... Good tip... Thanks!
15 hours ago, Hoops said:Personal to me: I am sold on the TK double mag. I have have very good match results using these as all of my shooting friends. I will continue to use the 2 rotation turn method to set the nut. I like being able to use the inverted mag to snug up the upper mag into the reciever and love the ability to see the rounds thru the clear body. I also can see when the wax intenal ring wear starts to build up which is something I watch for relative to keeping the mags clean (compressors are great for blowing out debris but not for the internal wax) Not all plastic molded products are equal and there could be one body to deal with.....but TK is great to work with. I may order some green internals just to run comparisons.
Good conversation.....thanks for the input.
I like the TK DoubleKross mags... I use mine for practice... I do wish TandemKross would make a single clear magazine... although being able to see the internal wax ring is both a blessing and a curse...
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On 12/20/2021 at 9:37 PM, Gregg K said:
I have all Ruger guts in my DoubleKross magazine bodies. I did re-contour the steel feed ramps and polish them. The last 6 Ruger 10 round factory mags I bought I very carefully counted the rounds of tension on the spring and they were all a full 2 rounds so I guess Ruger no longer follows their old directions either. I have been told that the TK green springs may be a little stronger than the Ruger but I have no personal knowledge about that since I have not tried any of the green springs I keep for spares.
Part of the reason I went with the Ruger internals was because of the steel feed ramps... I thought they might be superior to the TandemKross plastic feed ramps... Not sure if that turns out to be the case because many here use the TK plastic ramps successfully.
Interesting to read that you re-contoured your Ruger feed ramps... I've had two jams this year out of approximately 6,000 match rounds... Both times the bullet seemed to miss the chamber and jam against the top of the receiver... Never really figured out what caused it... Lately I've noticed that there is a sharp point on the front of the feed ramp that seems shiny while all the other areas of the feed ramp are dark (covered in carbon)... It's not actually a point... it's more of a bevel between the front of the magazine and the forward plane of the magazine... I've been thinking about rounding off the edge a bit to see if that helps.
Part of me wants to round that edge off a bit, but I'm also hesitant... Two jams out of 6,000 is pretty insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
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Interesting that all of you use the TandemKross DoubleKross magazine bodies... I have three of the DoubleKross magazines with Ruger internals and they work great...
I switched to six clear Ruger magazines with Kurt Grimes base plates for two reasons... Using the DoubleKross magazines introduced a different order to my shooting... sometimes you flip them... sometimes you replace them... It just seems simpler and more consistent to me to always swap the magazine out between strings... Secondly the magazines are not always the same weight... Admittedly these are both picky reasons... But in a sport where 0.10 in a string is huge, I just decided to go that way.
The DoubleKross magazines do seem to fit in my rifle better... and I have never had a feeding problem with them... I should probably force myself to change to them some time in the future.
Thanks for all the feedback!
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