MichiganShootist

That's funny. It reminds me.... I used to work for a VERY high level executive who's last name was Condon..... he had a senile old lady as a secretary who let the computers "correct" his name to Condom on letters, contracts and all forms of communications.

I've had a number of the EMPs in my classes.... the ones with less than a few hundred rounds through them were not reliable enough to be a EDC. They seem to require a lot of break in. (FTF FTE problems) And no... the EMP frame will not fit in a standard 1911 holster..

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I have had people in my classes bring two totally different "types" of ammo to the class (different weight, brand, bullet type etc).....and the two bullets would actually group 6 inches apart at only 21 feet. So to answer the OPs initial question.... using different ammo can really effect your zero a great deal.

The reason Bob Vogel is ONLY a 3 division DM..... is because Glock doesn't make any revolvers :roflol:

I've added a goose neck high intensity light on the "back of my 550..... that illuminates all the work stations so I can check for powder drop etc. I don't have a picture... but I also screwed a shallow piece of Tupperware to my loading bench to the immediate left of my press which serves as a bullet tray.

:roflol: :roflol: Thanks for the post.

I shot nothing but WWB 9mm in a Springer 1911 last year. I was chronoed a dozen times and was WELL over the minor PF every time.

Distinguished Senior in IDPA is for shooters 65 or older like the Super Senior in USPSA. (like me) So.... if you become a Distinguished Master and you are over 65 Does that make your a Twice Distinguished Master Senior?????? :roflol:

Thanks to all. I settled on a load of 4.1 TG. Based on all the numbers that should be a 154 -159 PF at about 670 - 680 fps. That's hardly a powder puff load .... but it should allow me a decent practice round without swapping out springs etc. Titegroup is such a "hot" powder----That's only 16% below the published maximum load for a 230 gr FMJ. Again that's the posts. Mark

Thanks for all the great feedback. The reason I'm going through this exercise is that I have lots of time on my hand to work up a load....and to crank out some reloads.... but the snow is still piled high "up here" and I won't have access to a chrono until the thaw. I just found a note from a trusted friend that says he uses 3 grains of Titegroup under a 230 grain FMJ as a PPC load... it requires a 10# recoil spring to work... but he says it kicks like a B B gun... and is plenty accurate enough for that "game" So I'm going to crank out 1,000 rounds with 4 grains of TG which should generate a PF of about 150.... Not minor but softer than what I've been using.... then when the snow melts I can go at it again to refine this down to something like a 140 PF. Thanks again for the thoughtful posts. Mark

You guys aren't reading my posts. The only issue here is a solution based around my current inventory of Titegroup, 230 grain Zeros, and a single stack platform. Bottom line how far down can I "push" this formula and still have a viable practice round????

"cachunk, ca chunk" That's what I'm talking about Joe...... the problem is I own over 8 pounds of Titegroup and 10K+ 230 Zeros..... and plenty of single stacks:)

Thanks... I have more than a couple 9 mms..... I have arthritus in my thumbs... and and carpel tunnel syndrome.....and was just looking to down load some ammo for close range practice. I load my IDPA/USPSA loads at 171 PF and thought something a little softer for practice (especially indoors) would make sense as long as it was still accurate enough for that kind of "work". I just don't want to grind out a bunch of practice loads only to find that there is little if any reduction in felt recoil. The "starting load" for Titegroup is over 171 PF.

I don't want to switch powders or compare powders...... I'm just trying to determine how linear the relationship between powder charge and speed is.... So that I could pretty accurately calculate the charge which would yield a given speed..when the bullet type and weight is a constant.

I use Titegroup powder for reloading 45 ACP..... and have done so for 5 years. The Hodgdon data for 230 Grain FMJs is 4.4 grains yields 744 fps = PF of 171 (171,120) 4.8 grains yields 818 fps = PF of 188 (188,140) Can it be taken that changing the grains will produce a linear change in speed????? If they supplied one more set of numbers it would be a basic algebra problem to calculate how many grains you would use to produce a 150 PF load for example.... But with only 2 sets of data I can't tell. Linear or not??????????

One of my shooting buddies has rear FOs in a yellow color and a green front sight. He likes it..I've tried it and can't make it work.... too much stuff to see at the same time and the multi-color dots are damn confusing. This is probably one of those "technologies" that would work great.... but it would take weeks, months, or years to get really comfortable and fast with it.

Even with blanks.... who ever dreamed up that formation is an idiot.

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I had two telephone "interviews" with the health dept. they are primarially looking for dangerous working environments. I explained about my shooting, reloading, and teaching... and all they did was send me booklets on how to avoid lead problems. They asked that I also distribute the booklets to the indoor ranges that I frequent.

Do a search... I had a thread last year that ran for weeks on this topic. I had a major lead problem... which is now solved.... but some others at my ranges were not so lucky. That thread had tons of information on it. Short version.(trying not to repeat the other good ideas above) 1. Sweeping the range without a mask is dangerous (use a wet mop or hepa vac) 2. Much lead can be a fault of polishing brass indoors 3. Going down range to score targets in an indoor range puts you where the lead is still in the air. 4. Strip and shower and launder all clothes after shooting 5. Buy lead cleaning hand soap 6. Wear a lead mask (They are only $7.50) when you practice or work on the range as an RO/SO 7. Never shoot lead bullets indoors 8. Limit 22 shooting indoors 9. Consider non-toxic primers 10. Reduce vitamin C intake (some say to increase it-- I followed my Docs suggestion on that---which was to reduce it) 11. Wear laytex gloves when handling brass or reloading 12. Put hepa filters in your range fans and furnace, and your vacume cleaner used to clean the reloading room. Good Luck Mark

Brass weights vary a lot... so I also vote for pulling them

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Thanks for your in put

J Lo gets better looking every year. I'd watch just to see her walk around the set