Scout454

If you need money for the stickers, ask. I expect everyone whose posting here would chip in.

I'll tell you what, save a few of the No Whiner stickers for me and I'll bring a case of good stuff from the local micro brewery.

You're on!

No one is getting worked up and I asked Greg if he'd like me to answer some of these questions for him. I'm retired and have the time. I run a 3 Gun match. I've been doing this for 25 years. You're not the first person to ask this question and because of that, at every major match, the steel is all checked with 55's. No MD can control the weather and unless the wind happens to be blowing in his face the day he calibrates the steel there is no way to anticipate what *might* happen if the wind picks up from the wrong direction. Bigger, heavier bullets help you compensate for wind at distance. High power shooters will shoot 52's or 60's at 200 yards, 69's at 300 and 77's or 80's at 600 - just to buck the wind. The only setup changing I've ever seen or heard of from the guys who all finish in the top 10 might be to go to a bigger scope for RM3G or BRM3G and I know most of them personally so you must travel with a different crowd. Blindfolded, remember. And even if you miss, I'll buy the beer!

In the first place, it is a game and changing ammunition during the game is part of it. I build rifles. I have three that are set up as match rifles. All of them have 1 in 8 twist barrels and all of them will shoot 77's - with the same load. They are zeroed with 77's and then shot with 55's to see what the difference is in impact. For a match like LaRue, Ft. Benning, Blue Ridge or Rocky Mountain, I will bring enough 77's to shoot the entire match but I will also have 55's with me. It there are short stages (i.e., shots under 200 yards) I will use 55's loaded to M193 spec. If it's a mixed bag (in your face and out to 300 or more) I simply load 77's. For me, in all three rifles, 77's shoot 1/4 to 1/2 MOA out to 500 yards so it's a no brainer. The 55's I load are accurate too, but more like MOA. If you know ahead of time that a match will have long shots - and you don't reload - why not buy 200 Black Hills 75's or 77's, see where they shoot and bring them? I'll wager that a hit on a LaRue with one 77 is cheaper than three 55's. Oh, and changing ammunition during a match is hardly "changing your setup". They do it in the sandbox, every match I've shot that has shotgun stages has required shot - sometimes different sizes - and slugs and a lot of shooters will change shot size for long or tight shots or for heavy steel. What's the difference? One other thing - the only changes the major players make to their rifles for matches might be to change scopes for a match with predominately longer shots. And that's rare. You pull that off blindfolded and I'll buy the beer!

8.1.5 Knock down steel targets (i.e., poppers or steel) must fall to score. LuRue targets are steel. Ergo, they must fall to score. I've never had a problem taking them down but then I don't bring white box ammo to a major match and expect it to preform. In retrospect, we had the same problem at Superstition Mountain in 2004. I had no problem taking the LaRue's with 55's. The last couple of times I've shot at them at distance in the wind I simply loaded 77's for that stage.

You have a target that is 200 yards away. For the sake of argument, let's say it's a 10" steel flash target. You have to engage the target through a port and the port is 3" high and 10" long. You have to turn the rifle sideways in order to see your sights on the target. With the crosshairs on the target, where's the bullet go? If it's like Ft Benning, you'll be prone - in the mud. If it's like Blue Ridge last year and you're under 5'10, you'll have no position. Can someone elaborate on this a little more? I feel I may be in a little over my head...but I tread pretty damn good.

Last year followed the old SOF rules more closely. This year does not. Since there is no length limit listed, there is noe.

Most commercially available 10 round single stack magazines (McCormick, Ed Brown, Wilson, Tripp) meet the 170mm length requirement and are legal.

Magwells are permitted on handguns, that's already been covered. There has never been any question that I am aware of about the Arredondo magwell for AR15's nor has anyone ever restricted the work that Benny and a lot of others do opening up the loading ports on Benelli's and Remingtons. Based on that, I'd say that magwells on Saiga's would be legit.

Per the rules "the shotgun may only hold 9 rounds max" Based on that you should plug your tube to only hold 8 and if you can ghost load an additional round, don't. This match does not have an open class so if you were to have a shotgun capable of holding more than 9 rounds I expect it would be a match DQ for unsportsmanlike conduct. The choke call is one Greg will have to make. As far as I'm concerned, ported chokes should be disallowed. While the Briley's don't accomplish very much others do and if you allow one then you'll have to allow the others. -

Have you contacted Mark or Greg about having that new site linked?

No problem.

http://www.laruetactical.us/ThreeGun/ It needs a little updating, but it's there

You forgot no whining....

No.

Hardly new, we covered the muzzles of our rifles with finger cots (small condoms) when I was in Viet Nam. The first shot blew it off. The biggest problem we had was getting them from the Doc!

Wrong Jim. You do precisely what we did Friday. The clipboard glanced at the handgun as the shooter was clearing the rifle. The RO and the shooter advanced to the handgun. If the handgun was obviously on safe he/she was instructed to retrieve the handgun, ULSC and holster. If the condition was questionable or if the handgun had an ambi and was obviously off safe the shooter was instructed to retrieve the handgun and ULSC. If the weapon was off safe and there was a round in the chamber the shooter was DQ'd. If the handgun was on safe or the chamber was clear the shooter re-holstered. Ten seconds per shooter and we wouldn't be having this conversation. There is a need to clear shooters weapons. It is done at most major matches. The question arises when a weapon *may* have been left in an unsafe condition. If there is a question - especially one in which the shooter will be DQ'd - then let the shooter see it.

Jim - if there is the slightest doubt that a competitors gun has been abandoned in an unsafe condition - then it should NOT be touched by an RO. Just because a competitors weapon has a single sided safety does not make that particular weapon exempt from the above. If the RO can not tell with a glance then it should not be touched.

Starting in the harness, using all three guns and ending the stage with six rollover prone shots - a position most shooters never shoot, let alone practice. You guys should thank God you shot stage 7 after we did. Our first stage Thursday Am at 0-dark-thirty in the mud. After the third shot I was blind. It was "painful" scraping sandy mud off of a $1200 lens and prescription glasses so I could see targets!

Give 'em hell Ronnie! This is ridiculous.

We built a cup out of cardboard around the foam pads at Quantico and eliminated the problem. Can take pix but not for a couple of weeks (they're locked up at the base). We removed the pad, put the cup in place and re-installed the cup. It cradles the bird and they always launch the same way. Consistency is about 90% now.

Man, that hurt Mike! Leave it to Kelly to take advantage of an old cripple!

Mikey! You can caddy for me and all you'll have to tote is my pack! I'll even bring some decent beer! And a bottle of Cigar Malt!

Maine - The main range is comprised of 9 or 10 bays that are stretched out over 800 or so yards. There are generally two stages that will be off site and the AMU has provided transportation the past 4 years to those stages. You can not move your vehicle from stage to stage (there just isn't enough room) so you need some means of transporting your gear. I work the match and what I generally do is park close to whatever stage I will finish on that particular day and then work out of the cage. I rarely use a cart anymore preferring a medium size pack and a rifle case that will contain both my rifle and shotgun.