Scout454

You guys and gals have a grand one. I ripped some bicep muscles cleaning up after the tree fell on the house and then made it worse falling at FN and I'm going to have to literally, sit this one out. Give 'em hell! Next time! Mike

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Andy posted the 2012 BRM3G as 20 and 21 October 2012.

For those of you who may not have seen it, the Presentation of The Medal of Honor to Marine Sgt. Dakota Meyer. http://www.military.com/video/forces/marine-corps/medal-of-honor-for-sergeant-dakota-l-meyer/1162047210001/

And like most combat Marines, he'd rather be back with his men.

Maybe not fun Jesse, but appropriate. I agree with Jamie 110%. I raced motorcycles and had some serious getoffs that I managed to walk away from - for fun. Ditto for cars. I've free climbed, paddled class 4 and 5 rivers and taken a sea kayak out into the ocean - out of the sight of land - to play on a shoal. All for fun. I'm a combat vet and I've had more rounds shot at me than I care to count and yet I shoot for fun and, like Jammie, I'd prefer some difficult - but not ridiculous - shots to liven up the game. I don't like shooting matches that are more athletic contests than skill based contests and I don't like positions that are nearly impossible for anyone under 6' tall (or conversely, nearly impossible for anyone over 5'6") or a port that favors a particular rifle st up. I'd like to shoot 600 yards with the 1-4 scope I have to use for 5 yard shots - but I don't want to have to run 200 yards to get into position. The first Rocky Mountain 3 Gun I shot in 2004 (?) had a stage with 4 targets shot from 5 vastly different and difficult positions, with short sprints between each (think of lying prone, down hill at a 10 degree angle but having to engage targets that required you to point your muzzle up at 15 degrees from horizontal) - that was the start and it was an excellent stage. The game can improve. In order for it to grow, it must.

On the subject of no shoots - I believe that they should be costly, very costly. I've shot a number of matches where hitting a no shoot was a 30 second penalty and as far as I am concerned, 10 seconds should be an absolute minimum. It's a game, getting sloppy and hitting a no shoot should be costly, not a minor bump in the road. If they are a problem for you, set up all of your practice drills with targets partially covered by no shoots and learn to shoot. I believe we should have shotgun stages that require buckshot on scored paper targets with no shoots covering part of the targets - just like the rest of the world does. A 5 second penalty is a joke.

All of the ranges are cold, i.e., there will be no loaded weapons except under the supervision of a range officer. That should apply to the sight-in range too.

Or two 2x4's epoxied together. That'll make it tougher for the big guns!

Rocky Mountain solved the snake problem by having all of the RO's either carry snake shot in a sidearm or a shotgun. It works. Every time I've been out there, several rattlers have been dispatched.

Dan - Did it work?

It's usually 12 Ga, 2 3/4", 3 dram, 1 1/8 oz, 7 1/2 shot. I bring a couple of boxes of 3 1/4 dram (Remington Sporting Clays load) and maybe a box of high brass number 4's for long shots (to save extra steps). The shotgun is generally a 21" or 22" with chokes - probably and IC.

IIRC - Jeff posted 350 for Pro. Jeff what distance should Pro shooters expect?

Andy never had them but there is a golf course there (several in fact) so I suppose it's possible. Maybe Jeff will know - or you might call the guys at Rockcastle.

You will be able to drive a car or truck to the stages.

I can't argue your reasoning there, but the question of target presentation at "this match" is what I'm curious about. If targets are contrasted, and within 350yds, I'm running my EoTech, if outside of these 2 realms, I'll go with some magnification. There will definitely be contrast - especially for the Pros. The match is set up on natural terrain - fields, rocks, woods. You'll have to deal with shadows and changing light conditions. .

I watched Jeff Cramblett shoot a season with an Eotech and there were shots out to 600 yards. He was still competitive but he wasn't at the top and he went back to glass. Personally, I believe that the minute you go beyond 200 yards you should be using either glass or iron sights. Most of the dots cover too much target at the longer distances and they slow you down. It's an opinion, but an opinion based on experience.

When IMGA was alive and well, there were rules - approximately 4 pages - and it stayed that way for years. You need some rules, otherwise it degenerates into a brawl. It could be done, but you'd need a very dedicated individual who is computer savvy and will devote the time to keep everything up to date. It's not a full time job, but neither is it something a person could do in their spare time.

I don't know about the cream, but the base is a Single Malt Scotch.

One gun Corey. One rig. Pretty simple. Here we're talking about handgun, shotgun, rifle, a re-configurable rig, three kinds of ammunition and assorted other gear. Add to that the fact that some on here have suggested detailing weapons down to the preferred handguard etc. Then add glass, rings, mount etc., etc. You also need to accept the fact that a number of the top shooters are sponsored and shoot what they are given. Having them fill it out at registration would create chaos. Giving them a good reason to fill it out and turn it in before the match was over would meet with more success.

The more complicated you make the survey, the less likely they will fill it out. If you're going to do it, give them the form at registration and ask that they fill it out while at the match because "we are trying to build a database for the amateurs to help get them started properly." If you give it to them later or ask them to do it on line, you'll get 20% - or less - response.

Amateur has one division - tactical.

IMGA started back in the 90's and it was an offshoot of the original 3 gun matches - SoF - sponsored by Soldier of Fortune. Initially they were more of a military format and your gear had to comply with what was currently being used by the armed forces - there was no open division. Up until a couple of years ago there was an international World 3 gun championship (they may still have one).

According to Jeff there were a few slots left as of this afternoon. He didn't say which kind - waiting for confirmation from Linda.

Charles, go back and read Linda's post: "If you are unable to personally sign in at 9:30 PM Eastern time on February 15, literally anyone with an internet connection can sign in for you. Whoever you designate to sign in for you should have your information that is required on the practice screen. Have them use the practice screen so that they see what they need to do. " At no point does she say that you can't submit for you and a buddy or two. .