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That's not a "want to" thing, it's a belt thing.

You know... all the divisions are hurting the other divisions. I'd go back to revolver if someone done gimmie a gun!

I dunno. Now I'm really starting to doubt and question myself the more I think about this. I think I need to let someone else run a few boxes of ammo through it. Were my malfunctions on "single shots" really true singles, or was I doing doubles and just don't remember. In trying to see if I've solved the problem, and I making it happen with quick double pulls that are just following the bolt closed? ? Am I sort of bump firing the gun without realizing it? (Why I would start doing that after 11-12 years shooting the gun I don't know). I think this weekend I will shoot, or let someone else shoot a lot of slow singles to see if she does it. The shell latch looks fine, like it usually does and I'm not getting any stoppages like I would if shells were skipping past it. It was just the shell on the carrier and the down hammer that through me, but like you said, that makes perfect sense and it's working as it should.

Okay, it's been a while I guess because I didn't remember the recoil spring plunger... was a plunger. It's tight and the spring seems to be working. Compresses freely, but firmly.

I've had the recoil spring out... replaced it once years ago? Maybe? I honestly I don't recall much about it, other than I can remember taking the spring guide plug out. The guns usual trigger group is an aluminum A&S/Briley aftermarket one. It has a C-Rums welded carrier as it's only other modification. The other trigger group tried is a bone stock one. Both do the same thing. (I was surprised and actually disappointed to find that out)

Thanks, that makes sense.... ("any time the hammer spring cap reaches its highest point..") I'm a bit confused by what you mean when you say " recoil spring guide buffer backing out or fallen out" I will re-srping (because it's probably time anyway) and take a close look at the shell catch. Maybe swap one from another gun to try. The un-cocked hammer has me scratching my head. If it were just the one trigger group I'd figure sear engament issues. But I have the same issue with the trigger group out of one of my other guns. The hammer is left un-cocked, you can see it. This isn't the classic "Benelli click" of an un-cammed bolt head. I can tell the gun has malfunctioned before I attempt to fire it by the extra/delayed sound and feel of the extra shell coming back onto the carrier.

Club match wise, even with a six shooter, still faster than half of them. So that's a myth.

I've been having some issue with my main match gun. I started noticing it when I was testing some other unrelated matters, basically doing "bursts" or mag dumps. Since it was doing it then, I assumed I was "out running" the trigger, because it would be dead, the hammer uncocked. But after a bit of fiddling and more rounds, I realized that wasn't it at all, because it will sometimes do it when I fire a single shot. The odd thing (to me) is when it happens, I end up with a shell on the carrier. It's ghost loading itself. I end up with a live shell in the chamber, a shell on the carrier, shells in the tube... and an uncocked hammer. I know it's a shell latch issue because it does it with other trigger groups in the gun as well. I've had latch issues in that past, modifying them just a touch too much, or enough so that they don't last anyway. But what I don't understand is why the hammer wouldn't be cocked? For a shell to eject and live one to chamber, they bolt obviously travels far enough rearward to cock the hammer. If it were a sear engagement issue / hammer follow, it would be isolated to the one trigger group, but it's not. Anyone seen this behavior before?

To me, I always shot against everyone , that's how I viewed it and gauged how I did. It's funny, there was a time I was trying to buy an 8 shot 38 Super in order to shoot it in Production. Last minute I changed my mind, I thought it was a lot of money to spend just to make a few more people feel bad. When the division changed to 8, disappointed in the change, I gave it up all together. I guess I was okay with the idea when it was my idea, but not when it was forced on me.

Benelli lists two part numbers for the spring. I tried them both. After that there's only so much I can do. If MOA can't pull things together, we can only hope they sell it to someone else to make.

The first thing I did in trying to solve the problems was replace all the springs, so it can't be "weak". Bought and tried both options of the dog spring. The malfunction above is cleared by pushing the shell to the left, at which point it chambers as it should. I kept thinking the nose of the shell was too high or too low, but it's too far to the right.

The loading port is the upside to the Benelli. It's made to be twin/quad loaded. I'd like to sell mine since I never use it anymore, but I've sunk so much into (like $120 in chokes alone lol) it I'll never get it back.

So yeah.... no. It didn't change anything. I ordered replacement springs to play with (and asked for the heavier springs) but was sent the standard ones. The only thing I've learned is THIS malfunction isn't what it looks like. It's actually the shell hitting/hanging up on the port side of the chamber. (which doesn't make sense as it's all rounded and beveled). My only thought is because the lifter is one sided, it has lots of lateral motion that the two sided stock lifter doesn't. Anyway I'm done. Maybe someone else wants to play with with it, maybe it'll work better in their gun. It'll be in the classifieds with full disclosure when I get around to it.

That's my point/question. You'd kind of be pressing it in with the side of your thumb and I'm wondering if that's doable.

Do you think you could easily/quickly operate the cylinder latch with a shooting grip? (for a weak hand reload). I've never tried.

Not good. I emailed them a few weeks back as well and haven't heard from them. (in the past, while purchases came just fine, but questions took quite a while to get answered)

Unless they ship them separate, I'd be on the phone with my credit card company.

I see they're selling replacement springs (regular strength lol) on their website now and suggesting you change them every 6-12 months. THAT'S not very reassuring, long term. Unless I suppose you drop ANOTHER $50-$100 and get a lifetime supply.

Hmmmm.... lol. Since I haven't received a reply from my first email at the end of July, it must move very slow.

By what means did you ask them?

Soon. Been waiting for more pressing gun related issues to be sorted out before I returned to it. Every tweak and test session is more and more money down the drain.

Funny that the common malfunction is the only one I'm not having. Okay, maybe it isn't funny.

lol, that's why I keep checking back in, hoping for some revelation. I'm sure I'll get an answer to me emails any week now.

I don't think hitting big targets up close, no matter how quickly, equals good shooting. (A zones being pretty big... and all the targets in USPSA are up close.)

I found that rear dots REALLY slowed me down. They all get blacked out now. White outline sights get blacked out of turned around. I have one "house gun" with tritium bar/dot sights. Once in a while I'd shoot a match with it just for some trigger time, I'd do so with a small piece of electrical tap over the rear bar.