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LOL, good point! I forgot that we would need to argue about this for the next several months. I am in favor of shooting it whichever way will give me an advantage and everyone else a disadvantage.Cool, so when do we start talking about Far and Near?
I think this is the year for clothing optional
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Would fitting a 625 cylinder to the Model 25-2 solve the lead spitting problem?
It was a necessary repair to mine (Apex Tactical). The cylinder throats were oversized and the cylinder itself was not trued.
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8 shot minor will necessarily mean that the winner and one's relative position in a match will be dictated by course design. While in a major revolver match like a revolver nationals advantage can be negated, lesser more local matches and other major matches will not be designed with revolver in mind. Advantage 8 shot.
The correct perception will be that you need an 8 shot to do your best. This will harm participation not increase it.
I know one shooter that will switch to production and limited 10 because it is a flat table wherever you shoot
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My answer to the "poll" is to ignore the nationals. It is already rigged in favor of those shooting the single stack match. You will notice that all of the super squaders did "risk" being tired during the one day revolver match. Now, the "in crowd" will have the advantage of knowing which gun to shoot
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While this may be close to Nik's poll topic, I'd like to hear what it would take from the 6-shot minor audience to get them to compete in USPSA with these wheelguns.
Please stay on topic
My guess is that allowing 8 shot revolvers would be a huge disincentive to 6 shot minor shooters if they had to compete directly against them
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I think it's worth pointing out that whenever you put the issue of Minor-8/Major-6 to a poll, the respondents seem to favor it roughly 2-to-1.
The detractors are louder, but they are distinctly in the minority.
Actually they are relatively silent when no change is left out of the poll
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i have had some luck with true blue. someone told me it is winchester 540, an old 38 super standby. Bud Bond suggested it a while back.
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i have had trouble finding hammer noses
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are the stages posted anywhere yet?
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Title sez it all. Happy Birthday Steelshooter. Posted here kaws he shoots a revo. rdd
Bubber. Rog and Teddi made an appearance at Albany Oregon's NW Revolver Championships. Ask them how it went
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Other than movement, course strategy and moving targets I am at a loss to discern what skills are not covered in practicing the Near and Far Standards
Well, movement and course strategy are HUGELY important skill areas for the action shooting disciplines, aren't they?
Let me add a few other items to the list:
Drawing from various positions.
Shooting from odd positions.
Shooting on the move (different than mere movement from place to place).
Reloading on the move.
Engaging targets at various distances on the same array.
Transitioning to multiple targets placed at various spacing on the same array.
Drawing from various positions. Conceeded
Shooting from odd positions. Nothing is odder to me than going prone
Shooting on the move (different than mere movement from place to place). included in movement
Reloading on the move. included in movement
Engaging targets at various distances on the same array. Conceeded and important
Transitioning to multiple targets placed at various spacing on the same array. Essentially the same as above
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Yeah, I just wish practicing for a match meant doing all the things it takes to be a better shooter overall, rather than setting up the exact stage (down to the frickin' inch!) and then standing there and shooting it over and over and over......
As I always say when this topic comes up--the IRC would be a better test of shooting ability if the Far and Near Standards were tossed in favor of a Surprise Standards--where nobody knows the distances or the par times until they get to Morro Bay, and then no getting in the groove on the "practice range"!
Make it nearer, make it farther, I don't care--just make it different from one IRC to the next, and don't announce it ahead of time!
I would rather that.
My experience was that it helped but not much, but I have terrible consistency problems.
I practiced standard for two months last year prior to the match and it didn't help me all that much on the stage itself.
In practice, I was able to have a first run of the day 18-20 in my last 3 practice sessions. At the match, I disintegrated at the 50 yd line, carried that mentally to 25, and didn't pull myself together until 10 yds and turned what should have easily been a safe 25 second score into a 39.
What it did do though is get me very solid on reloads and accuracy in general and it got me lots of SHO/WHO practice.
For the entire rest of the match I shot 6 B's, no C's and no mikes(excluding makeups in missed steel). Slow, but accurate.
So in totality I think it was very helpful for me.
I agree though, it would be interesting if it were something different.
Other than movement, course strategy and moving targets I am at a loss to discern what skills are not covered in practicing the Near and Far Standards
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Where can you actually buy one?
J&G has them.
Thank you.
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Where can you actually get one?
J&G. Dawson has sights (along with Shooters Connection) and the extended mag release (look for STI GP6 parts). Blade-Tech and Comp-Tac make kydex for them (again, look under STI GP6). Mags are backordered like every freakin' other gun due to the doomsday panic...
Sorry, I meant the gun. Bud's doesn't list them
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I do not know how a Shadow shoots, never shot one. A local GM who shoots a Shadow even told me I was wrong to call my GP6 a "poor man's Shadow" (I did so as a joke) and he recognized the GP as a good gun in its own right,noticing that the European female production title went to a Grand Power shooter.
My apologies, haven't been in the gun boards much in a while as the unfortunate and sad Newtown incident triggered enough nonsense from all perspectives to where IMHO there was more to avoid than to take in...
That said, after shooting the K100 for a while (modded from the jump with DP sights and "big" mag release), that GM (no matter how much more skilled than you or I) is talking some BS, period.
The K100 is very much like a polymer Shadow Custom w/ the SRT trigger. I f'ing love me some CZ's, I think I've installed 10 comp hammers on different ones and done most everything that can be done to make them rock, I got lucky enough to score and live with a newer Shadow with the CZ-Custom SRT mod installed too, box-stock the K100 trigger is in the ballpark with 'em without a doubt. Since the only way to get about the same DA/SA trigger quality of a K100 is to spend an extra $300 for the CZC SRT option after buying a $900 Shadow, I'd say the "poor man's Shadow" comparison is very fair, the Shadows are heavier pieces so they aren't the same animal exactly, but to me the trigger is really their "magic". Atually, for many shooters coming from lighter, quicker transitioning guns (like Glocks or M&P's), the K100 due to it's polymer, and subsequent lighter weight, may feel more to their liking...
The pistol's design is really head and shoulders above what most are used to (including me) out of a factory "stock" gun, they're an unknown quantity and are still the "oddball" so there are haters, IMO the piece is legit.
I really hope they can somehow manage to put one of them in the hands of a Stoeger or another "name" in the games to get the word out... these guns are currently THE sleeper in "pistol awesomeness" IMHO.
MY favorite pistols for a while now have been 1911's for the crisp SA, Glocks for the bombproof-ness, and CZ's for the "best of both worlds" vibe; to me the K100 is a working hybrid of those 3 designs.
Where can you actually buy one?
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Up until not too long ago I'd be saying "Shadow" too... Nowadays though I say grab yourself a $430ish Grand Power K100 Mk7 (used to be STI GP6) plus sights, extended mag release, holster, pouches, extra mags and a case of ammo.
Why? The K100's out-of-the-box trigger is f'ing bananas, that's why. Better than a Shadow's? if you're talking a standard one, then yes.
Now, I won't get too carried away and say that it's trigger is better than a Shadow Custom's that's had "the works" (meaning 13lb or less hammer-spring, competition hammer, action job ala Stuart/Mink and SRT trigger-mod), but I have zero problem saying that it's really damn close, and better than any Shadow that hasn't had the kitchen sink thrown at it. In fact, unless you pony-up for the CZ-Customs SRT modification ($130-300), there's no other pistols on the planet that can do the same trick of where the trigger has no take-up after the first DA pull and basically turns itself into a 1911 in SA mode. Though, the K100 trigger-reset still might actually be shorter, it's shorter than a 1911's, and think the shortest of anything out there (if that matters).
I first got one because I found it hard not to look at the K100 as a "Po' man's Shadow" and wanted to try one, but since, I've come to really appreciate it for more than that and dig it in it's own right as it really is an innovative piece with lots of it's other unique features.
For me, I dig that it came out of the box more or less how I set up my Shadows: the safeties are already like the Shadow "Thin Safeties" (I positively hate the standard/stock Shadow safeties and swap them out as soon as I can, YMMV), the grip is close to the width of how a Shadow feels with VZ or AL grips slapped on it (except you can play with the different K100 backstraps to go from CZ-ish, to a 1911 straight/arched feel, to even a Glock 17/34ish feel which is cool), and it has a built-in trigger job with SRT-mod already GTG. Also, the GP is lighter than a Shadow, but heavier than a Glock or M&P, kind of an "in-between" that's not too heavy and not too light.
Sorry to sound like such a salesman, I'm just really digging mine, and have owned and shot enough nice pistols with pretty much every one costing a lot more $$$ to get triggers even near the K100's. They're worth taking a hard look at, I think now that they're being offered at a better price-point than STI tried, and that it's one of the very few buys out there that is actually probably under-priced in these days of $800-Glock-madness they might catch on as guys check them out.
Where can you actually get one?
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Sure, anything's worth consideration at this point.
I really like the choice offered in SS between 8-major and 10-minor. I shoot SS quite a bit and I believe those two options are usually both viable, depending on stage design.
Personally, I think it would be fun to have the same sort of choice in Revolver. But I don't want to obsolete 6-major.
The perception is that 6-major could not compete in USPSA against 8-minor. I think continued testing with an open mind could prove that wrong!
I'm getting depressed by the whole mess. Anyone interested in 5 625s, 2 627s, and a 617? I'm going to go dust off my Glocks.
I've had this conversation a couple times with different guys in the last few days.
I wish I just bought a brazos....
Guys, don't get depressed! Think big picture--this is exciting stuff for Revolver shooting in USPSA. Nats this year is going to be the Clash of the Titans!
What is being obsoleted is six shot minor. What is happening is the division is starting to be run for the benefit of "the Titans" at the expense of the average shooter that pays the freight.
Entry into the division will require a 625 or 627. Most of the 627s will be shot by people who already have and shoot 25s. It will not grow the division. Why not a poll of how many shooters are not shooting USPSA revolver and have 8 shot revolvers that they would shoot, if legal? Maybe a poll of 6 shot minor shooters that would drop out if 8 shots were allowed.
You will never know how many will not enter the division because of the high cost of a competitive gun.
Even the sycophants will eventually figure where the nationals concept and the allowance of 8 shots actually leads.
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I agree that something should change in the revolver division. Unlike some of you I am convinced that the eight shot will make six shooters obsolete. I don't have a problem with that. I would consider it progress. After all this is supposed to be a race. I hear folks say that we should make a provisional rule and evaluate results. Evaluate what? What is the empirical data that will be analyzed? I don't think that it is fair to compare John shooting a six shooter versus Steve shooting an eight shot. I think we should have a two day match where each competitor shoots a six shooter one day shooting major and an eight shot shooting minor the other day. I think it would be interesting if we could have all classes represented as well. I think it would be very important to make sure that the course designer did not try to make the stages "revolver friendly". Perhaps using random stages from previous Area or National matches would make for realistic stages that we are all likely to encounter. After that we would have data to convince all of us, or at least me, about the arms race issue that bothers some folks. Perhaps it would be interesting to schedule a meeting to discuss this during the revolver nationals with Phil and BOD members. We have a few vocal folks on this forum, but we certainly don't have 90 people on this thread voicing ideas and opinions.
The division was rationalized at the onset as an entry level division where someone could get started in USPSA shooting one of the plethora of revolvers extant in shooters hands.
The eight shot will blow out the six shot minor shooters. If you think there will be a net gain with the addition of 8 shots, go for it. It doesn't hurt me personally as I have 627s and 25s. My opinion is that you will mostly get a transfer from 6 shooters to 8 shooters by those who think there will be an advantage to doing so.
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Lee,
What did they quote for a current price?
$100. I am pondering left or right side. I tend to shoot with my support thumb up and am concerned it will hit the mount when I get a high grip. The tip of my thumb is level with the frame with my normal grip.
Lee
Did you ever resolve this issue? It puzzles me, too. There have to be pluses and minuses. Are you right handed? Right or left eye dominant?
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Once again, inconsistency with Production rules the day. And thanks for (in my opinion) mischaracterizing the issue to get your way. Great job.
Present it to him your way and see if you get a different answer. I, personally, will hold off on the modification until it is cleared. I can see both sides of the argument given what has happened before
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Okay, I've been wondering for a long time, but I still can't figure it out. Since this mod is clearly illegal for Production, are there really that many folks using Shadows in Limited? Why not just start single action with the safety on?
It's legal for USPSA production.
I will wait for an official ruling. I remember the Langdon ruling.+
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I saw the movie today and thought it was great.
I repeat I am not a Cruise fan at all, and, maybe somebody would have been better in the role (Steve McQueen? Butterfly McQueen? But, it was an excellent movie with few technical "things"
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My brother has a Taurus Model 44, 44 Magnum revolver and wants some fiber optic sights for it. Does anyone know which sights will work with that revolver? I have fiber optics on my two S&W but don't have a lot of experience with Taurus. I would like to try to get them for Christmas. Thanks a bunch in advance.
mcb
You can always have the front sight drilled and the fiber optic inserted
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Where can you buy the competition guns?
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1 second off for each shot fired prone. it has to happen