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Let me see if I understand this...
CZ Custom takes regular Shadows, does some machining and adds a part(s) and issues them as Accu-Shadows.
So in the eyes of USPSA, CZ Custom is a "manufacturer" or at the very least a "recognized" part of the process of final manufacturing for CZ.
The only difference is where the original/stock Shadow comes from. The original stock Shadow could come from CZUSA or if I send them my Shadow they could in effect "re-issue" my pistol as an Accu-Shadow as they are in fact the "manufacturer" of the Accu-Shadow.
Hmmm. Logic. Better not go there
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Anybody having this experience? I had my zero shift during a 3gun match at my local club about a month ago, drifting about 6" right at 25 yards. I used Kentucky windage to finish the match, then re-zeroed. At the 3GN Western Regional match, it was good the first three stages, then during the course of the fourth stage it drifted right again. I had some time to re-zero the next morning before finishing the match, and it was good to go. I took it out Saturday morning and it was shooting right again! I re-zeroed it, and made a mental note of the screw position. (I SHOULD NOTE HERE- 90 DEGREE MOUNT, SO ELEVATION IS WHAT IS MOVING). Sunday morning, Action Pistol match. First 2 stages, fine. Third stage required 2 reshoots due to prop malfunction. DURING the re-shoots, I notice that same shots on same targets are hitting further right progressively with each repetition, culminating in a no-shoot hit on the third run-through (the only one that counted, since the activator worked....finally).
. Up to this point I was suspecting the optic mount, since it is attached to the mounting rail of my XDM, and some have questioned the rigidity of this type. However, when I looked at the elevation screw, it had rotated about 90 degrees from the position I had noted the day before. Lacking time to re-zero between stages, I just turned it to the place it was the day before. INSTANT ZERO. I smoked a steel challenge type stage with 4 to 8 inch plates at 18 yards. So what appears to be happening is that the screw is self-adjusting wile shooting. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there a way to correct it without gluing it in place? I do have a popple hole in the barrel, so it is possible that blast is pushing back on the lens, causing the screw movement.
Thoughts?
http://re-gun.com/2011/05/c-more-care-and-feeding-zeroing-and-adjustment/
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I was loading ammo for the IRC when my 550 sort of felt funny. I finally took it down to find that the lower pivot arm was broken. Know how swamped Dillon has been I sent them an E-mail letting them know my troubles and expected that the part could be shipped as early as a week. I sent the E-mail off Friday late afternoon. Today I got a reply from them saying the part is being shipped. Thank you Dillon!!! When I get back from the IRC my part will be waiting so I can repair and prepare for the Mid-West Regionals in Iowa. I have only had the machine for ugh? since the early 9'"s or late 80's. Roger Davis
Good luck at the IRC Bubber
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Underlug,
You have been here for years and I have appreciated your input, however, i don't know if I'm saddened, angered or disappointed in your last post.
Claiming that competitors who shot the SS nationals had an unfair advantage, sounds like whining, but I know that's not what you intended. Look at the steel, standards, and short stages where it clearly made no difference whether they were shot day(s) before or the day of, would not have made a difference. The field stages could be figured out within the time limits so no advantage of shooting vs seeing the stages the day before. I would also challenge any belief that a national champion, or anybody who wanted to be one, would show up on a Sunday to shot the biggest match when they could see it on Saturday, even see how the SS shooters were shooting it. You don't have to shoot the stage to plan for it, if you could see it. I think on this point, your not seeing it as how a champion would take every opportunity afforded them to win, which includes getting to the venue early and seeing the course or being better prepared than anybody else.
Also, I'm sorry but other sports with national level of competition, pretty well expect you will need to invest in higher level equipment. Golfers go through sets of clubs that are constantly changing, same holds true for cycling, tennis, motor sports, fishing, hunting, nearly all equipment based sports. If you want to be considered or compete at this level, you will sprend the money for the equipment, otherwise you are, and always will be a weekend player. This is partly what divides pro's from weekend duffers, no matter how good weekenders become. The next level is waiting.
The competitive model is not compromised by a few, it has evolved for the many.
This I am sorry for, Seeing you go to another division in spite your love for revolvers, over such a "minor" improvement that even if you feel put you at a disadvantage, can be brought back to parity though acquiring different equipment.
And I feel your comments of "sorry division" and "asterisk" is just way off base. Regardless, I wish you the best in production and hope you will return.
Rob won because he was the better shooter there. I have no doubt. But certain shooters had an advantage over others. As a sportsman, that should bother him and others that had that advantage. Inferiror shooters percentages are invalid in comparison to the shooters with that advantage. Period.
8 shot will envelope the division. 6 shooters equipment will be inferior for 99% of the matches. Unless a match is specifically designed for revolver, or, entirely open fields with no 6+ arrays. it will be thus.
8 shot revolver is a lot of fun. I think there is almost more pressure and challenge not missing to avoid a reload and destroying the advantage than screwing up the 6 and 2 dance. I own 5 8 shot revolvers and have an ulner nerve problem. The rule change was to my individual advantage, but, it still screwed up the division. That a bunch of 8 shooters like it doesn't mean much.
Congratulate me. My last classifier was 95%.
. Anybody who shot with me knows......The division needs two classes to save the equipment of existing shooters, keep classification integrity, and preserve it as an entry level division
As is, eventually the division will devolve into a smaller group of people who can afford $1200 8 shots.
Dion't worry about the division going away. It has been essentialy tried along with limited 10 and the idea sank.
A stand alone national championship in place of the MCC will sell better than the current national championship.
But a division where good people's equipment has been effectively obsoleted (includes 6 shot minor) and the national championship is a tack on for the convenience of some and gives certain competitors an advantage over others, is not a division I wish to be a part of at this time.
So, with perfect illogic, i will try to get my $1700 accu-shadow up to speed and shoot production
Good luck to all
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It's not a class change. It's a Division change. We can only change division rules every two years so it couldn't change before 2016. The only way it would change is if Revo participation increased enough to support two separate divisions which is unlikely. I really don't see the BOD voting to split the smallest division in two.
It wouldn't have to be an outlaw match. It would just take a simple rule change authorizing the 2 classes.Well it's interesting to see the chatter at this point. The ones that hate the new rule before it was a rule still do. Ok no shocker but the fact that uspsa matches are setup to follow uspsa guidelines is the reason the 8 shot makes sense. If your not going to shoot anyway or use this rule as an excuse to support not going, it's not really a valid statement on the status quo.
Guys that aren't here at the nationals sitting in hotels reading this stuff will not have the same perspective I do.
You guys that wanna shoot 32 round stages but don't like 24 round stages make no sense to me? Who cares what the round count is? IDPA is killing uspsa in revo BECAUSE they are short stages that fit well with the low capacity of the revo.
Time will tell, but it was gonna die the way it was going....
Giving it a kick to see if it would help couldn't hurt.
Being disgusted with the change is just sour grapes. If you want to shoot, shoot.
Wanna see big numbers at the area or state level? Run low/cap only matches (revo/SS/prod) separate of the open/lim and see what happens! It works at the national level. I'd love to shoot an area match for revolvers only. Bet you'd see 100's of shooters....
8 shot is here for good. It is a mistake that needs to be accepted. People have purchased equipment in reliance of the 8 shot rule. That fact is what saved Revolver and Limited 10 as divisions. Strader wanted them gone.
What needs to also be addressed is the competitive advantage people shooting the single stack get over those that do not or can't. A national championship should be decided on a "flat table".
Anyone with inside knowledge of the stages would also have an advantage as to which gun to use. You can guess that it is 8 round oriented but one traveling across the country shouldn't be required to bring 2 guns and ammo to make a decision that those with inside knowledge would already have.
The best solution would be a stand apart Revolver nationals and a rule change which, unfortunately, bifurcates the few revolver shooters there are.
I am sure those benefiting from the current situation do not see a problem
Yeah. It would be a change in the division adding the two classes. By the time it could happen the two years would be up.
I agree it is unfortunate and splitting the division is not a good thing. But, if you don't, it becomes the 8 shot revolver division.
When added to the fact you have a one day nationals, which according to this month's front sight is limited to 120 shooters,and a national championship which gives an advantage to those who shoot the single stack match preceeding it, you have one sorry division and a national championship worth a couple of asterisks.
My personal solution is to join most of the other Northwest shooters and leave the division. I will switch to Production. That division is large enough where a couple of shooters don't have a large enough sway to deform the competitive model and give themselves an advantage. I wonder if CZJockey is available as a handle here?
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You have a friend who wants to get into revolver. You want to keep him as a friend. He has money for one revolver that he wants to be competitive with as he shoots the division. Without trying to be cute and turn the question which gun do you tell him to buy?
I think there is one answer now
I would offer to let him try my 610, 625, and 627 and then let him decide for himself.
He asked you which one to buy to be competitive in the division. Quit playing with the question
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You have a friend who wants to get into revolver. You want to keep him as a friend. He has money for one revolver that he wants to be competitive with as he shoots the division. Without trying to be cute and turn the question which gun do you tell him to buy?
I think there is one answer now
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So I just finished unloading my moonclips (and Sam's) from the match yesterday.....and I have a question:
If this match favored the 8-shooters so dramatically, why did so many of my spent moonclips still have 2 loaded rounds left in them?
That is a little vague. And does every one that doesn't mean a reload was saved?
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Anyone here at nationals? It looks like minor won out over major. A lot of minor shooters at the top of the overall. Did it favor the 8-shots? The round counts looked low on most stages.
The round count/points were identical to the single stack match. What do you think? 8 shot arrays? I wonder if they even moved the targets.
As to the 625 being dead, if it is not viable at an exclusively revolver match, it won't be at matches where revolver equality is not even a thought. Shannon Smith and Matt Griffin are top performers and their results speak for themselves.
Revolver now needs two sub classes
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Well it's interesting to see the chatter at this point. The ones that hate the new rule before it was a rule still do. Ok no shocker but the fact that uspsa matches are setup to follow uspsa guidelines is the reason the 8 shot makes sense. If your not going to shoot anyway or use this rule as an excuse to support not going, it's not really a valid statement on the status quo.
Guys that aren't here at the nationals sitting in hotels reading this stuff will not have the same perspective I do.
You guys that wanna shoot 32 round stages but don't like 24 round stages make no sense to me? Who cares what the round count is? IDPA is killing uspsa in revo BECAUSE they are short stages that fit well with the low capacity of the revo.
Time will tell, but it was gonna die the way it was going....
Giving it a kick to see if it would help couldn't hurt.
Being disgusted with the change is just sour grapes. If you want to shoot, shoot.
Wanna see big numbers at the area or state level? Run low/cap only matches (revo/SS/prod) separate of the open/lim and see what happens! It works at the national level. I'd love to shoot an area match for revolvers only. Bet you'd see 100's of shooters....
It wouldn't have to be an outlaw match. It would just take a simple rule change authorizing the 2 classes.
8 shot is here for good. It is a mistake that needs to be accepted. People have purchased equipment in reliance of the 8 shot rule. That fact is what saved Revolver and Limited 10 as divisions. Strader wanted them gone.
What needs to also be addressed is the competitive advantage people shooting the single stack get over those that do not or can't. A national championship should be decided on a "flat table".
Anyone with inside knowledge of the stages would also have an advantage as to which gun to use. You can guess that it is 8 round oriented but one traveling across the country shouldn't be required to bring 2 guns and ammo to make a decision that those with inside knowledge would already have.
The best solution would be a stand apart Revolver nationals and a rule change which, unfortunately, bifurcates the few revolver shooters there are.
I am sure those benefiting from the current situation do not see a problem
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Setting up good stand-alone revolver matches is a proven way to gather interest and participation. I did that with my series of Iowa revo matches, and Sam did it with his excellent MCC matches.
Time for some other people to step up and take the lead on this. We really need several of these destination revolver matches around the country each year. Without stuff like that, the overall interest level in revo (including my own) starts to wane.
I don't think charity causes have any meaningful effect on participation. My charitable contributions are handled directly and privately. I would personally prefer not to pay a higher match fee just so that somebody else can donate the bulk of that money. It's certainly not a wrong or bad thing to do--it's just not my preference.
I totally agree Mike, I would be glad to do one here in the Raleigh, NC area. I have complete access to a number of quality ranges that would easily support a Level 2 match, with the priority going to REVO Division. If I do it, will you come??? That is the big question. everyone TALKS about, "hey let's do this, or hey wouldn't that be cool" but when it comes down to it, if we don't get enough shooters to SEND in an application and a check, the match can not happen. I WILL build it, if you all will COME.
Then build us a real nationals. A three day match equivalent to the MCC where some do not get the competitive advantage of running the course prior to the actual event. Of course, now, it will require six shot and eight shot classes as it will be impossible to design a course that will not give an advantage to one firearm or the other. The MCC proved that a stand alone match will draw
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and thank you
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Do I want +5% or +10% Wolff magazine springs for my factory Shadow magazines?
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If you shoot enough you may have to take the cylinder off to clean the center to get the cylinder turning smoothly on the yoke. I use the same brush for the cylinder and chambers. SS 375 Rifle Bore Brush.
An oversized cylinder brush? I heard really old revolver shooters used that trick back in the day. I heard the Arizona Wildbunch or some such used to brush their teeth (what few there were.....teeth, I mean) with them, too
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I hope to heck it's worth it.
I just pulled one from Oak Hill guns.
With trigger pulls of approximately 7 and a half/three and a half am I restricted in regard to primers?
Should I use +10% or +15% magazine springs with the factory magazines and from whom should I get them?
What should I get for additional magazines and how should they be set up?
Thanks in advance
Just manipulating the pistol/not having shot it...............the reset is insane
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I can tell you from my revolver experiences that Randy Lee and his people are just plain, good people
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Well I shot my 627 and a local USPSA match today. It may end up 6 shot friendly at the Nationals but at the club level and at this match the 8 shooter ruled. It was a lot of arrays of 8 that were all hidden away so that they could not be seen anywhere else. I saved a minimum of 7 standing reloads and was able to miss once on a plate rack without it costing a reload. out of 127 shots I fired 120 Alphas and 7 Charlies plus 30 steel. I was able to out shoot my friend that was running his open gun, I could not have done it with a 6 shooter. I think we will see some matches where the 6 can hold it;s own but then there will be matches where an 8 shooter being run in an ICORE frame of mind will kill the 6. Longer, harder shots where the minor scoring can really hurt may help to close the gap between the 2 and with the right stage design the 6 shooter scoring major would come out on top. It's going to be all about stage design deciding which gun can come out on top.
"Well I shot my 627 and a local USPSA match today. It may end up 6 shot friendly at the Nationals but at the club level and at this match the 8 shooter ruled"
Which, of course, is where 98% of the revolver shots taken will be shot
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I am on season three.
My problem with the series is its clearly filmed in California.
Just look at the vegetation and surrounding hills. Its NOT Kentucky.
The intro credit scenes might be KY, the the rest is not.
KY could sure use a boost in the area of film-making.
To me its sort of phony with the so cal mountains in background.
Do these actors/producers have a problem with filming in KY?
BB
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Agree above clean and check firing pin and spring, Which primers are you using. Federal takes the lightest hit then Winchester CCI can be hard requiring a heavier mainspring. 17lb mainspring should work.
Simple test to check mainspring and firing pin is to drop a yellow pencil down the barrel, point the barrel up and pull the trigger should move up about a foot or better. If this test passes you have some hard primers. This of course need to be done with an unloaded firearm.
"This of course need to be done with an unloaded firearm".
Or. you will have one hell of a time finding that pencil
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Wish I new how to post the photo of me holding them at the shot show. I'm not quite the comp geek :-)
WOW a chance for a D-class shooter to teach TGO something
When replying click the button on the bottom right that says "More Reply Options" the larger editor window loads look down at the bottom left and you'll see Attach Files and below that a button that says Choose File. Click the choose file button.
Browse to the file you want to attach and select it. and that dialog box will close after you've selected the file.
Now there's the important step that messes people up. Below the Choose File button you'll see a button that says "Attach This File" you must click that to actually add the file. Once you click it the file will be uploaded and you're good to go.
Bet TGO does it faster
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If I have my shooting glasses prescription in hand, where is the best place to send it to get it filled?
Please consider frame options and customer service as the first priorities.
Thank you in advance for the help.
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I am a big fan. Really looked forward to this season. First episode at least 10 people got killed. Duffy did a no sell when people got killed next to him. Serio comic deaths. It looked like they were just reprising everything that worked before all in one episode. Hope the creativity the show exhibited in the first 4 seasons survives. Hope they just don't wear out the old tricks. BEAUTIFUL women. My favorite show.
PS..."Loretta" is now too old for her part. She has......progressed, and trying to make her look as young as her character doesn't really work even though she is a great little actress
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I think if this was a plot to save JM's hands they would have come out with a steel gun
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not to worry about barrels. they can now be replaced in limited, too. And if you are going to spend that much $, what is a little more?
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Game changer
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"Also, don't forget the 625's roots as an issue gun."
Actually, a bowling pin gun