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Ok some thoughts from a closet revolver shooter.
!st, this is a really good thing! The revos getting their own match will judge whether those shooters are serious about attending a national championship or not. The few that attend the current nationals is not enough to warrant the division having National Championship status. This just aint right! The revolvers should have this! The way to prove that is to hold a match and have hundreds try to get in. The revolver class has some fantastic competitors and is by far the most difficult piece of equipment to do this kind of shooting with. This match will be a sensible test for the equipment being used and will be an excellent chance for many shooters like myself that will never get to shoot revolver division due to other obligations.
It's a one day match, just like many other events around the country so that is no reason not to attend. I'm hoping the next SS Nationals will be a multi day event like the other divisions have and all shooters have to shoot the same days with the same conditions and be there until the end. Then stay and shoot the Revo Nats. My hope is that USPSA will have to figure out how to run the Revo nationals with an excess of shooters trying to enter! That would be great! Anybody saying they don't wanna go because it's gonna be filled with leftover single stack shooters needs to get on the bus now and get entered! I know I'm gonna be one of those hang arounders, unless I drop my gun and get DQ'd at the SS nats, but what's the chance of that happening?
Maybe if everyone go's to this thing then they will have to add extra days to get everyone in next time.
We are now gonna see who is and who isn't gonna put there money where their mouth is. Boys, get your wallets out!
Rob Leatham
If you want a true evaluation of the level of interest in a stand alone Revolver Nationals:
1. Have it stand alone
2. Make it a major multi-day match with diverse courses
3. Make it somewhere, sometime where getting a hotel room the night before the match won't be in competition with 350 shooters shooting another match
It will be a dream week of shooting for SOME shooters this year, though. And some will possibly have the benefit of seeing similar courses before they shoot the Revolver nationals.
Good for them.
I, personally, will think of the winner of Memphis as the true National Champion this year.
But, differences of opinion is what it is all about
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I was just at Apex and Scott said that they would cut the rear sight deeper and wider if you wanted it that way.
So no one Has used the Weigand rear sight?
I have a .140 that I keep on one gun. I like it. I just went to LPAs and never looked back.
Some people get upset because you can wiggle the rear blade back and forth but it has never been an issue when I shot it. Good product.
Ain't Apex great to deal with? I owe Randy so much............
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A shooting buddy turned me on to Hi-Viz fibre optic front sights. He claimed they were brighter than many of the others. I agree.
I have never heard of a fibre optic sight being too bright.
Not to be argumentative, but, if you have ever tried to line up a long shot with a fiber optic in bright sunlight you will have difficulty finding the corners of your front sight and wish it were dimmer (or not there at all)
And that is my objection to the Hi-Viz I have on my 25-2....no real upper corners to find
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Yesterday (and for the first time ever) I shot a revolver in a match. I used my Model 610 in IDPA ESR. Since I was using equipment which I borrowed from a friend the previous day, I didn't get a chance to do any dry fire practice. I assumed that positioning my moonclips on my left side (opposite the gun since I am a right handed shooter) and inserting them with my left hand would allow me the quickest reloads. My reasoning was that I could maintain the grip on the gun and not have to reacquire it after every reload.
Today I have been watching some videos of right-handed revolver shooters and it seems as though nearly all of them (including Jerry Miculak) use their right hand to insert the moonclips into the firearm.
Why is it that using the right hand to guide the moonclips into the cylinder faster than using the left hand?
Put yourself on the clock and see what is faster and more consistent for you.
As stated before, being able to use either reload is a plus. With the situations we are put into I have switched to a right hand reload to keep my barrel more in the direction it should be.
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Not knowing where to do this subject I thought the best spot would be in the ICORE subforum as here we have Open Revos. A few of the guys have ventured into the open phaze and found that they did better with Iron sights. Maybe one of the problems is the way we adress the target. On Iron sights we look through the sights at the target and fire. In optics, you have heard this many times, concentrate on the target with your nondominant eye. Well just how do you train yourself to do this? At a session this past week, I was shooting an Open rimfire rifle and found that when I picked up the revo I would have to close my nondominant eye to get a sight picture. I was looking through the scope at the target again. While pondering this dilema I remembered we used to obstruct the view on the scope and engage targets to prove it could be done. With both eyes open the dominant eye saw only the dot and the nondominant eye sees the target. So I bloced the view with some dryfire practice got back to shooting with both eyes open. With iron sight obstruct the nondominant eye, and with open obstruct the view through the scope. Put the lens cap on the front of the scope and give it a try. Let us know if it helps, I am interested if the drill could help others. later rdd
I find that by closing both eyes, I don't feel so bad about my results.
Thanks, Bubber. I actually do the non-dominant/target..dominant/dot thingy. Just never thought about it. It is probably why I am more comfortable going left to right (left eye dominant)
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too bad i can't hit this and nationals...
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just love this place
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As what happens when I am NOT shooting, I have acquired a CZ Shadow Custom Target and want to set up.
I would like advice on magazine carriers. Single pouches the way to go? Brand?
Has anyone used .356 bullets in their Shadow? Problems? Loads?
I will be asking these questions on the CZ Forum, also
Thank you
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What kind of OAL's are you folks using for the shorter brass ?
Any length's seem to work better than others with the 160/170 bullets ?
Thanks
I load long colt at 1.41. I am less concerned about speed going in than taking advantage of the shorter case on ejection. Less pressure worries also.
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You have the dates correct.
Here's what I have heard: They were originally planning to run the Revo Nats on the Sunday after the Single Stack, but PASA had some kind of conflict and the range wasn't available on Sunday. So they moved Single Stack back to Wed. through Fri. and the Revo will be shot on Saturday--this year only.
A few of the SS guys are bitching that Revo is getting the "prime choice." But it clearly makes sense to run the Revo match after the SS, if the idea is to pick up a bunch of SS shooters who are mostly serious about shooting SS, but will stick around an extra day for a "fun match" with the revolver.
What I do not think is realistic is someone being precluded from the single stack match traveling to shoot a one day revolver nationals match (only)
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From the latest BOD minutes:
o Single Stack Nationals will remain at PASA Park, May 8-10,
2013, with a dedicated Revolver Nationals the day after the
event (May 11th).
Well guys, it looks like our Nationals is going to be a little different starting next year. While I will admit to some mixed feelings about this, I do think it's time to try something different, and our new president has given us that. I think it will be interesting to have a true stand-alone Revolver Nationals, even if it is only a one-day match. With 300 shooters in town for the Single Stack, I have to believe a fair bunch of them will bring their revolver stuff and stay the extra day. With a little promotion by USPSA, we could easily see 100+ revo shooters at Nationals.
A few years ago, our back-to-back Single-Stack/Revolver matches in Iowa were quote successful. I hope that is the case here as well, on a bigger scale. Obviously, it all falls apart if we only attract the usual crew of 25 wheelgunners.
Thoughts?
Shooting both is something I would love to do. I think it will fill up. Getting slots for both might be the problem
I might not travel that far just to shoot one one day match
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Team bubber will conquer.....
I thought that said Team Blubber and was going to ask to apply.
a distinction without a difference
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That decision has not been made. There have been some proposals submitted but those were tabled at the last meeting so we can get a bid package together.
How about Bubber's place? That way we know he'll be there. He could feed us, too. We can sleep in his barn
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I do the same on my Dillon 550s. No need for an additional primer step. Just lean on the handle every time.
I do the Randy Lee trick of spinning the case 180 degrees and pushing a second time on my match ammo
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Let me get this straight....the ICORE Midwest Regional is in Nevada?
(I'm hoping you're going to tell me Nevada, Iowa? No?)
Nothing against NV or NV shooters, it's just one of those WTF things.
It works out perfectly when the center of the universe is Morro Bay, California
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JW, I did not believe that you could type cheap and Hearthco in the same sentence....There are several less expensive moonclips out there. But somewhat like the sign on the speedshop wall " How fast do you want to go?" So far Hearthco moonclips are the most consistant moon clip out there. I can reload faster and smoother with them than I can with most others. As for brass as there are spec's on the extractor groove all the brass is good and you do not lose any. The groove on the 38 357 are not spec'd out so they are some varieances to them but not the auto brass, and W W is the cheaper so far. I use whatever I have.
decide on brass first....recommend starline....then tell David (Hearthco) what you are using and he will match it up. If you don't want to screw around, this is the way to go
Is there a website or contact information for Hearthco?
He is "Hearthco" on this forum. Look him up and either PM or email him. There is a thread "Hearthco moon clip questions" where he responds. Click on his user name
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the Brian Enos Forum...Sorry had to.
me, too...taking a break from reading everything I can about ulnar nerve neuropathy/compression.......the surgery did not go as well as it could have.
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JW, I did not believe that you could type cheap and Hearthco in the same sentence....There are several less expensive moonclips out there. But somewhat like the sign on the speedshop wall " How fast do you want to go?" So far Hearthco moonclips are the most consistant moon clip out there. I can reload faster and smoother with them than I can with most others. As for brass as there are spec's on the extractor groove all the brass is good and you do not lose any. The groove on the 38 357 are not spec'd out so they are some varieances to them but not the auto brass, and W W is the cheaper so far. I use whatever I have.
decide on brass first....recommend starline....then tell David (Hearthco) what you are using and he will match it up. If you don't want to screw around, this is the way to go
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"I agree with Mike on this issue, and there is IRC precedence for a different outcome of this decision.
In 2002, at my first ever IRC the best standard division shooter at that time(most likely to win) by the name of Jason Pettitt had exactly the same malfunction at the start of a stage. It sounds like this "BEEP" click, click click... The RO allowed him to fix the problem (broken firing pin, sound familiar?) and shoot the stage again from the start. Someone put down the $100 arbitration fee and challenged the RO decision to allow him to reshoot the stage. The committee ruled that he had been allowed an illegal reshoot under the rule that Mike cited and his time was changed to the original time 0 seconds + all penalties. Note the first stage time of 370.00. If we give him an average time for master class, (his classification) that year of 68 seconds he would have placed first by over 30 seconds.
116 Pettitt, Jason S M 21 370.00 25.44 31.56 32.56 14.21 30.73 29.82 12.66 567.98
The rules are the rules and they should apply to all shooters equally."
Amen. Jerry the Champion is a wonderful narrative for our sport. But it diminishes him not to have the rules applied to him just like anyone else. We have seen in the past where he obviously faulted during the shoot offs and given a pass. My first IRC I was walking the stages and heard shooting from Far and Near. I was told that Jerry and a couple of others were "sighting in". Having no access to a 50 yard line myself I asked if I could "sight in" and was told no.
It should be a fair table. Jerry M is good enough to play that way and his record speaks for itself without help.
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And here are a couple more:
Revolver shooters always younger and better looking
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i would be game, hell i live in the middle of nowhere as it is so it makes no difference which time zone the match is in
As long as there are things to do. Some of us build our vacations around the IRC........Memphis?
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I currently reload left handed, ejecting the shells out with my left hand being a right handed shooter. I am using a Hogue extended cylinder latch and was interested in what everybody else was using. I don't mind the Hogue release, but I find at times my thumb catches on the side of it every once in a while. I am happy with how I reload, was just wondering if there were different options out there besides the original latch or the Hogue. Any ideas?
The Hogue comes in 2 sizes
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Interesting discussion.
I have a problem with par time stages in general, because I think they introduce an arbritary luck factor into the mix. If your shot happens to go off at +.30, you're fine.....if it goes off at +.31, you're penalized. And with ICORE scoring, it really hurts to catch one of those penalties.
Particularly now that some of the top contenders are running so close to each other, do we really want to see Jerry or John dethroned (or re-throned, for that matter!) because of some bullcrap "gotcha" penalty like that?
This applies not just with the standards, but any stage where par time is used.
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If Far and Near with par times is kept, it would be much better to have turning targets with a visual start, like they have at Bianchi and the standards stage at the Single Stack Nats. That would maintain the time pressure but eliminate the overtime penalties, and the luck factor that is inherent in them.
Of course, mechanical turners aren't cheap. But the Hogues could probably swing it!
I disagree with "arbitrary", "luck", and "bullcrap penalty" unless you think Bianchi Cup shooting is that. Getting your shots off in time is a skill
If an eminent competitor is "dethroned" by the application of the rules applied to everyone,which hasn't happened yet, well, he just lost...period
Turners would be wonderful.
Let's not turn the IRC into a USPSA match with under powered revolvers even if some think it would benefit them competitively
2013 USPSA Revolver Nationals
in Revolver Match Announcements and Discussions
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I am more concerned with the other 95% that support the division.
I would hope the continued existence of the division would not be predicated on this as a test. It is a false test.
Traveling across the country, doing PASA in a day for short courses and fighting the fight for a hotel room just doesn't work for me.
I wish everybody the best at the match.
Give me an entry into the Single Stack and I will send my applications tomorrow. That makes it worthwhile. For those in that enviable position it is going to be a great week.