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As it stands, they still haven't actually outlawed the Shadow Target. They ruled against the Accu Target.
I saw that. LOL!
http://www.idpa.com/misc/RC/IDPARulesClarification-v2014-10-31.pdf
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'08 Tacoma Double Cab 4X4 here. Its my 3rd Toyota but unsure if there will be a #4. Drives fine, the 4.0L engine is probably their best V6 (the 3.0 in the old T-100's was horrible), interior is fine. But the issue I have with mine is I've had to rebuild the front and rear suspension on my '08 to get rid of the soft squishy rolly ride.
When it was new even with only 400-500 lbs in the bed the rear suspension bottomed out when you hit a bump. Did the TSB that Toyota offered to convert the OEM 3-leaf rear suspension to 4 leaf. Kind of was OK but it was still soft if you put anything in the back. I think the Taco's suspension was designed for people who don't regularly put anything in the bed. Finally I added a leaf spring and overload springs to get the rear the way I wanted (I sometimes tow a trailer).
The front suspension was pretty soft and rolled too much when going around corners. Heavier duty coil-over springs helped, as did better shocks front and back. Also ended up ditching the stock air intake and exhaust for a cold-air intake and Borla Cat-back exhaust. Made for much better throttle response, bhp, and even got a couple mpg gain.
But aside from the weak-ass OEM suspension, I've been happy with the Taco. I've been a mid-sized truck person for a long time, though I miss the size of the old T-100 or the Dodge Dakota. I was leaning towards a Tundra but then they went fullsize. I think if I was looking for a new truck right now I'd probably look at the Nissan Titan to be honest instead of a Taco.
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Subaru Impreza STI.
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I'm currently using the BOSS hanger with a BT holster for SS. Its a great setup.
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Just got clarification....USPSA rules, so that opens up things a bit more for me.
What exactly is different with a Shadow variant? I'm looking at one with drop free mags, is that legal for USPSA production?
"Shadow" essentially denotes no firing pin block.
Any model with a B in it has the firing pin safety
Any model with a D in it has a decocker
Shadows have neither the B or the D and I think the barrels are fit a little different than the non-Shadow models, and are drop free mags.
CZ USA sells the CZ-75 Shadow (short dust cover) or they also sell the CZ-75 SP-01 Shadow (full dust cover w/ rail).
CZ Custom takes the above Shadows and does some extra cool stuff to them like triggers jobs, competition hammer, short trigger reset, sights, grips and calls them the Shadow Custom. If you get a bushing installed it is called the Accu-Shadow. If you get an LPA adjustable rear sight installed on the slide it is called the Shadow-Target.
All of the above variants of the Shadow and Shadow Custom are legal for USPSA Production (as in on the "list" which can be found on the USPSA website under rules).
I am in week 7 waiting for mine. Word from CZC is "soon"!
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Thanks Russell!
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Follow the money. And follow the last name of the IDPA CEOAC, I hear what you are saying, however the statement I wrote that says the CZ SP-01 Shadow Target is available direct from CZ USA and CZ Custom is true since both websites list the same pistol and cite the same catalog number.
CZ USA: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-sp-01-shadow-target-9mm-black-3x18-rd-mags-by-cz-custom/
CZ Custom: http://czcustom.com/shadowtarget.aspx
In contrast, I can't find the WC customized 92G Brigadier model on BerettaUSA's website, even when looking at their premium line. So as quoted from WC's website, the WC 92G Brigadier is exclusive to Wilson Combat.
But one is legal and the other is not. This is the part that is not making sense to me.
Yeah, I get all that. But conspiracy theories aside, my question still stands.
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Going to the collective for this one. Using what I think is the latest iOS version of PS (ver1.652) when posting the scores for an IDPA match, either emailing the htmls or posting to PS website, how do you get the IDPA membership number to show up?
Is there something you need to toggle on in the match setup or something?
Thx
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From the WC website:
"Wilson Combat and Beretta USA have collaborated to produce the ultimate 92 Series Tactical Pistol."
So replace WC with CZ Custom, and Beretta USA with CZ USA and basically you have the same thing: "CZ Custom and CZ USA have collaborated to produce the ultimate CZ Shadow Target pistol."
Also from the WC website:
"This model is exclusive to Wilson Combat and available direct from Wilson Combat or from Wilson Combat Premier dealers only."
Or in the context of CZ: "The CZ SP-01 Shadow Target models is exclusive to CZ Custom and available direct from CZ USA or CZ Custom item # 91159."
And lastly from the WC website: "IDPA Stock Service Pistol approved"
Hmmm... I'm at a loss.
I agree with your position. In an attempt to prevent an attack on a technical flaw in your above argument, I wonder if one of your statements may benefit from a modification so that your comparisons remain consistent.
Using your original exchange proposal ("replace WC with CZ Custom, and Beretta USA with CZ USA"), and these two statements:
"This model is exclusive to Wilson Combat and available direct from Wilson Combat or from Wilson Combat Premier dealers only."
Or in the context of CZ: "The CZ SP-01 Shadow Target models is exclusive to CZ Custom and available direct from CZ USA or CZ Custom item # 91159."
One of them seems to need to be adjusted. Either this:
This model is exclusive to Wilson Combat and available direct from Wilson Combat or from
Wilson CombatBeretta USA Premier dealers only.Or in the context of CZ: The CZ SP-01 Shadow Target models is exclusive to CZ Custom and available direct from CZ USA or CZ Custom item # 91159.
...or this:This model is exclusive to Wilson Combat and available direct from Wilson Combat or from Wilson Combat Premier dealers only.
Or in the context of CZ: The CZ SP-01 Shadow Target models is exclusive to CZ Custom and available direct from
CZ USACZ Custom or CZ Custom item # 91159.
...would seem to remove the technical flaw. It then presents other things to consider.Respectfully,
ac
AC, I hear what you are saying, however the statement I wrote that says the CZ SP-01 Shadow Target is available direct from CZ USA and CZ Custom is true since both websites list the same pistol and cite the same catalog number.
CZ USA: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-sp-01-shadow-target-9mm-black-3x18-rd-mags-by-cz-custom/
CZ Custom: http://czcustom.com/shadowtarget.aspx
In contrast, I can't find the WC customized 92G Brigadier model on BerettaUSA's website, even when looking at their premium line. So as quoted from WC's website, the WC 92G Brigadier is exclusive to Wilson Combat.
But one is legal and the other is not. This is the part that is not making sense to me.
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Hell, I'm not trying to out IDPA's dirty laundry with conspiracy theories, I just don't see the point of rule 8.2.1.3.1 and would like to see them revert to the 2005 version of the rule to allow sight modifications as long as they are conventional notch and post.
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From the WC website:
"Wilson Combat and Beretta USA have collaborated to produce the ultimate 92 Series Tactical Pistol."
So replace WC with CZ Custom, and Beretta USA with CZ USA and basically you have the same thing: "CZ Custom and CZ USA have collaborated to produce the ultimate CZ Shadow Target pistol."
Also from the WC website:
"This model is exclusive to Wilson Combat and available direct from Wilson Combat or from Wilson Combat Premier dealers only."
Or in the context of CZ: "The CZ SP-01 Shadow Target models is exclusive to CZ Custom and available direct from CZ USA or CZ Custom item # 91159."
And lastly from the WC website: "IDPA Stock Service Pistol approved"
Hmmm... I'm at a loss.
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Interesting. So for those that say SSP = STOCK Service Pistol, did the Beretta 92G leave the BERETTA factory with all the features that the WC version offers?
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My understanding is the FFR is not gone yet. Its coming, but until the new rulebook is released we were told today at a local match that we couldn't reload on the move even though we were behind continuous cover. I think what happened is the MD got an email from the AC to this effect.
Is that everyone else's understanding?
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124 gr FMJ over 4.0 gr N320
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Looking forward to it!
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SSP = STOCK Service Pistol.
Nothing stock about milling a slide to accept a feature that it didn't leave the factory with.
So using that rationale, internal action work to enhance trigger pull (8.2.1.3.7) should not be allowed, nor should after market extractors and pins (8.2.1.3.9), replacment of barrel (8.2.1.3.11) or any of the other permitted modifications listed since they didn't leave the factory that way.
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Gaming is using the rules to your advantage. Not complying with the wsb is cheating. Those two things are different, please don't mix them up.
This^
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I believe you're right. Because milling the slide to accept another sight is against SSP rules. Not so for ESP, but the full rail of the SP-01 shadow makes it illegal for ESP without its SSP status.
FIFY
Just so we're clear, you don't see anything FUBAR with not allowing milling of the slide to accept a different sight style for SSP?
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The difference is that the Accu Shadow isn't ESP legal on its own. It was only allowed to play there because it was SSP legal. Because it's been ruled a Custom build, third party or not, it no longer gets to play in SSP.
Apples and oranges compared to a 1911.
I hope I read your post right or all this is null and void.
I wasn't talking about the Accu-Shadow. Just the Shadow-Target and milling of the slide to accept a LPA rear sight, which is what I think is making it illegal for IDPA.
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This whole business about the rule not allowing milling of the slide to accept a different style of sights is kind of weird IMO. I don't have the IDPA rulebook in front of me to cite the actual rule # and exact wording, but really?
Three scenarios:
You have a 3rd party custom shop (lets leave it at that) who thru their affiliation with the US branch of CZ UB provides them with a Shadow gun that has had its slide milled to accept a LPA low mount adjustable rear sight. CZC does the work and CZ USA sells the gun. Its like CZ USA outsourced the LPA work to CZC. Or at least that's the way I understand it.
Or you have a local gunsmith who builds a 1911 from parts (theirs or others) and mills the slide with a bomar or LPA dovetail to accept an LPA adjustable rear sight (akin to the one on the CZ Shadow Target. Or mills it to take a Novak dovetail or countless other styles of sights. This happens all over the country and is not restricted to one or two gun shops.
And lastly you have somebody with a XXX brand gun who doesn't like the dinky little stock rear blade 2-dot sight that comes OEM on so many factory guns these days, so he/she has the slide milled to accept a Novak lo-mount such as a Heinie Slant Pro or 10-8 U-notch rear sight.
Which one of these is legal and which ones are not?
Are better sights on a gun a competitive advantage? Sure they are, for me. I like a certain sight picture and if the sights are crap then my shooting will be equally craptastic. Changing out the sights for something that suits your personal preference is a fairly common thing among gun owners, especially those who compete with them, so why is the actual milling of the slide to accept the after-market sight of a different style against the rules?
Because of cost? That's the beauty of the game, you can spend as little or as much as you like on your gun, gear, and cover garments as you like, but its not required that you have a high end high dollar pistol to compete. What's a WC or Nighthawk 1911 running these days? Or an SVI?
I have a number of 1911's in my safe. Some have fixed rear sights (Heinie, 10-8, Novak), some have Bomar adjustables (Kensight, Dawson, STI). One of them that has a bomar style rear sight originally came from the STI factory just as a bald slide and I had my gunsmith mill the bomar dovetail when he assembled the entire pistol from parts. Legal or not?
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This is just my late night musing regarding top level shooters since I can't sleep, but I worked the last two Handgun Nationals in St. George and got to be the RO on the timer for several of the Super Squads. I don't recall any of them trying to push the edge on the start positions. If the WSB said standing erect or facing down range or a specific hand position I seem to recall everyone of them conforming to whatever was required.
However I do recall some interesting interpretations of "hands relaxed at sides" where some guys had their elbows bent to bring their gun hand extremely close to the butt of their gun. I don't recall the classification of those shooters, but suffice to say they weren't on any of the super squads...
I suppose there could be a couple of possibilities at play here. 1) the guys doing that were trying to push the boundaries to see what they could get away with; 2) its an unconscious habit they've formed because their local matches haven't been consistently enforcing the App E2 requirement.
I think you were correct to ensure your shooters were following procedures of the WSB, regardless if it is at a local or major match. This is not directed at you, but I suppose how we go about enforcing the rulebook is going to determine if the RO is just being a guy who is trying to do his job...or being a prick.
As the RM said at this year's RO meeting at Nats: "What's rule #1? Don't be a dick."
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I guess I have a different definition for "gamers". To me, a gamer is somebody who will try to figure out the best strategy within the limits of the rulebook, and go right up to the edge but not jump off the cliff.
If somebody fails to comply with the WSB's start position, I usually remind them of what the WSB says and wait until they comply before I give them the 'Are you ready, stand-by'. If they want to argue, I'd probably have them ULASC and then call for the RM/MD and let him/her deal with it. No sense in getting into a pissing match. It just messes up the shooter's day and yours. If the RM says they can start that way I'll be happy to run them. If the RM supports my call I'm still happy to run them, but starting the way the RM says they have to.
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Well, for the 1911 that was nosediving on me and causing the bullets to jam up on the feed ramp, my gunsmith broke the feed ramp angle slightly and re-polished it. I'm not 100% certain if the feed ramp on that brand of barrel is too steep or if it was the way the mag releases the top rounds, but that was the fix that worked. An EGW mag catch that holds the mag slightly (.020") higher helped a little, but the rounds would still hangup on the feed ramp. Plus the higher mag catch made seating the mag harder, so I didn't want to rely on that as the sole fix. But once we got the right angle on the feed ramp I was able to go back to using a normal mag catch.
As far as my other 1911 in .40 finding the right mag helped. I'm currently using Tripp "Corey" mags which are 10-rnd 10mm mags but with Tripp's hybrid followers that IMO are better than the flex followers. But with the hybrid follower you can only get 9 rnds of .40 in the mag as opposed to 10 when using the flex follower (not a big deal for SS division). Personally I like the snappier recoil impulse of a .40 in a 1911 and it seems to shoot flatter for me than a .45 loaded to the same PF, plus I can use the same ammo I use with my 2011 Limited guns.
As far as 2011's go, the stock mags have worked just fine for me. However when you try to eek out 20 or 21 capacity in a 140mm mag that's when some tweaking or mix and matching of followers and basepads is needed.
Yeah, there are some problems that occur with 1911 or 2011's, but once you get past them (if they occur at all) they are some fine guns to shoot!
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My experience with .40 1911s and 2011's is varied but mostly good. My stock Eagle ran fine from the get go with long and factory length ammo. My custom 6" 2011 was also fine from the start but I've never shot factory thru that gun so can't honestly say.
On two of my .40 1911's, one is a factory gun other is a custom build. The factory gun had some issues that were related to finding the right mags. The custom one with an after market barrel required some feedramp cutting to feed right -similar to other issues that have been reported about .40 1911's. Good mags were also key to getting this gun to run as well.
On the other hand, all my .45 1911's ran fine out of the box, but in one that I had a new barrel installed (to improve the accuracy) it required some tuning to get it to feed right.
All this would have been really irritating if I wasn't my own shade-tree gun wrench or had access to a really good gunsmith who is far from a shade-tree wrench... But the experience has taught me a few things over the years. Best advice I have for getting into a 1911 or 2011 for the first time, ask around at your local club to see if there is anybody you can go to for help (professional or shade-tree variety) if/when your gun has issues. It may run fine out of the box, but after you dump 20-30K thru it (or more) you may have some issues or the itch to do something to it.
Clarification on CZ Shadow Target legality?
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This whole thing could be resolved if they reverted back to the 2005 rule and allowed changing of sights as long as they are notch and post and delete the part about not allowing milling of the slide.
8.2.1.3.1. Sights may be changed to another notch and post type but slides may not be machined to
accept different style sights in SSP.