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Even though I have two P320's for Production, a RX followed me home last month. I outfitted it with identically to my other 320's (Springer guide rod, 14lb. Wolfe variable recoil spring) and noticed it bucked very hard shooting it. Have any of you noticed that? Any suggestions on a new spring poundage? Thanks!

Alma- Curious how you arrived at the OAL. I'm shooting TG with an OAL of around 1.150 IIRC. 125 SNS with 3.875 (avg.) of TG. Very accurate, enough so that I never played with OAL. I'd love to shoot N320, but wasn't able to get it for a long time, and found a bunch of TG, so that's what I have, and it's much cheaper. My 320's keep running, so I don't clean them, even with TG.

I really like the idea of the different size sleeves on the trigger stop pin since there is nothing to loosen up or fall off. Simple to adjust, etc. I wonder how I could aquire/make the sleeves? Might try it out myself.

Cool to see the pipeline filling up with Sig goodies! Looking at the link you sent, it makes sense that it would be shop installed, since the raised interface that meets the pin would prevent overtravel, too. With production/generation tolerances not being that tight, you could wind up with an unreliable pistol or one with still too much overtravel. A set screw might help, or better yet, different thickness sleeves that could be installed on the pin to meet the desired effect. Boom, customer installable! You're welcome, Bruce. All kidding aside, clever design. BTW, having fitted Dawson sights on over a half dozen P320's, I have seen first hand the differences in production tolerances. I installed the exact same sights on each of them and have found that I needed to replace the front sight with a different height version ranging from 0.200 to 0.220 to achieve the proper POI! 0.020 is quite a bit of space in such a small sample set, and imaging that much space in a sear. That being said, Bruce has his work cut out for himself...but if anyone can do it, it'll be him.

Great info, Alma! Nice to hear some of the details around the delay.

Hmmm. I've put a lot of rounds through a lot of guns and my S&W's and Sigs have had issues, where as my Glocks have not. I sold all of the S&W's, kept all the Glocks (and still carry a G19/G43), but I shoot the Sig...a lot. Once the extractor was replaced, my backup P320 ran great, and still does. My primary P320 ran great but also developed extraction issue around 5k rounds, and replacing the extractor remedied the issue. So it seems that there really are issues with their extractors, perhaps poor manufacturing and/or QA, but giving credit where credit is due, the P320 is my favorite pistol to date, and it runs great with a good extractor. The S&W's are seriously hit and miss and wouldn't carry or compete with them. In fact, I dumped 5 of 6 of the ones I had. Do my Glocks shoot like my Sigs? Nope. But the Glocks ALWAYS work. The Sigs haven't proven themselves to me YET for carry, but time will tell. I say all of this to say I understand the decision to go with the Glock. Just sayin'.

Just thinking out loud, but I wonder if Bruce is concerned that the drop in kit will cannibalize his business and won't sell them outright, only installing them in house? It would make sense with the time it's taken to get them to market, er, not get them to market. Or perhaps their manufactured on Mars and the shipping times are long...

I went with Burke and to be honest, it didn't go well. It didn't function in a small grip frame and had to send it back. Then it was inconsistent, so I wound up giving it to a buddy that uses a medium grip frame. These days I have 2 P320's and both of them have stock triggers and work just fine for me.

Since switching over to the P320 I've started getting quite a bit of questions about the platform, so I posted all my info up on my blog so I could keep it current and make changes as they occur. I thought I'd add a link here in case anyone was interested. Hope this is useful. (And thanks to KA and Alma Cole for all of the help!) https://www.recoilsports.com/2016/01/the-sig-p320-faq/

I'm not sure if this is correct or not, but I did hear that the gray vs the black followers made a difference. I read it on the interwebs so MUST be true... Can you guys confirm?

I wouldn't adjust your sights. What I would do is diagnose your problem. Let's try a few things. At that pace, sight focused, fire a few magazines into the berm to SEE what they're doing. Then try putting some black tape over your FO and try the 25 yard Bill Drill. Also concentrate on the grip pressure and try to feel what pressure each hand is applying at each speed. Start slow and increase your shots and see what you notice. And I know this is going to sound funny, but borrow a stock Sig 320 and dry fire the drill. It resets with each trigger pull and you'll notice the sights moving if you're doing something wrong. My guess is you're tensing up your strong hand at speed causing you to disturb the gun an instant before the trigger breaks. See how these diagnostic drills feel. Might also try the Ball and Dummy drill.

You bet! And thank you for all of the info and videos!

If anyone is considering running the Sig Sauer P320 in Production, check out my post about my plan to make race ready my P320's. This is the same type of posts I made for the Glock G34's that outlines my selections and accessories. I hope you guys find it useful! https://www.recoilsports.com/2015/12/the-ultimate-sig-p320-uspsa-production-project/

I'm going to send off my P320 for a competition action job and there seems to be two names that come up, Bruce Gray and Robert Burke. I feel confident that either one will do an excellent job but was curious about the feel of the guns that each produce. Has anyone compared them? Or is it pretty much the same result from each? It was be great to know the "personality" of the guns so I can send mine to the proper smith. Thoughts? Thanks!

I noticed that the Sig Triggerbar Springs are in stock again at Brownells: http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/trigger-parts/trigger-bars/p320-trigger-bar-spring-prod80407.aspx?psize=96&avs%7cMake~~Model_1=Sig+Sauer__P320 $6.99

Out isn't too bad. Just turn the FCU over, push down and forward on the spring and use a pick or something to unhook it. Getting it back in I have found needle nose plyers to be a must. I think I have stumbled on a better way to get it back in as well that involves unhooking the rear leg of the trigger bar to get the spring in place. It's hard to explain but I will try to get it on video in the next couple of days. The internal diameter of springs might make a difference. I guess you can try putting a stock 1911 spring on. To remove the factory spring just hook the end over the captured wing piece and start screwing. I would, however, recommend just buying a new guide rod from Springer Precision or Gray Guns. They are thicker too so they add another .5oz of weight over the factory guide rod alone. Looking forward to the video! I plan on sending my 320 off to the smith to have all of the work done and new parts like the guide rod, sites, etc. I'm just having too much fun with it and don't want to let it go. The stock sights were waaaay off so I ground down the rear quite a bit, filled the dots with epoxy and repainted. I cut a channel down the center of the front sight, hogged off the sides, put in a piece of FO, filled the top with epoxy and painted, all so I could use it now! The stock trigger is heavy, but very nice. I pulled it apart and polished the friction points which knocked off a little over a pound. Again, the smith will have his time with it at some point, but I want to use it now. I ordered some Dawson sights for it, but won't have them until next week. I ordered two different fronts/rears to see what's going to work best on it. I'll start a new thread at some point on the sights. Thanks for the info!!!!

Extra parts are still hard to come by but you might be able to call SIG and get some ordered. Brownells now sells trigger return springs and I would get a couple of those. When disassembling are reassembling the FCU those springs can be pretty tricky. If you aren't careful you can deform them when reassembling so it's a good idea to have one or two available if you are the type of person who wants to completely disassemble frequently. There are several little tiny safety and sear springs that would be nice to have spares of just in the event that you lose one when the gun is torn down. After about 15,000 rounds I have broken the small striker return spring. I assume a lot of dry fire contributed to that. It didn't affect the function of the gun when it broke and I didn't notice until I tore it down all the way and saw that it came out in two little pieces. I have also replaced an extractor but I wouldn't worry about that unless your ejection starts to become inconsistent. For recoil springs I use an aftermarket guide rod so that the recoil spring can be replaced using common 1911 style. So far the P320 has held up very well to abuse. Alma, thanks for the info! I ordered what I could from Brownells to have some spares along with me, but might have to call Sig to get everything I want. And I agree, that trigger return spring is one tricky little thing to get in/out without damaging it. Do you know if there is a special tool that makes getting that in/out easier? Also, can you use a 1911 spring on the factory guide rod, assuming I can get it apart? Thanks!

Taking a break from Open since it was back at STI and I didn't have a spare. The Glock is just too big for my hands and had to compromise recoil control or trigger control. The small grip module of the Sig fits so much better and allows me to shoot better and control recoil dramatically better. Barring any surprises I think it'll replace my G34s.

Ya, a second gun would be great, but I was thinking more along the lines of the little fiddley parts that break, wear out, or are easily lost.

Hahah! That's exactly what I wound up doing! It actually works pretty darn well.

After my first range session with my new P320 today, I'm pretty sure I'm going to run it this next season for Production. So what parts should I have on hand? I keep a little parts kit in my range bag for every pistol type I have in case something breaks, I have what I need with me to get back in the game. But being totally new to the platform I have no idea what I need. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Anyone know how to setup the CR Speed mag pouches for the P320's mags? Thanks!

No you cannot remove frame material in Production, nor does glock make a shorter reach trigger. IMO Dump the Glock and get a Production legal gun that fits your hands. I ordered a Sig P320 and a small grip frame to see if that works better. I'm a Glock guy, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not sure I can get used to a new grip angle, but if it fits better and I can get used to it, perhaps I'll run a Sig for Production. Thanks, all for the advice.

You might want to see if that is still the case in SSP. I could have sworn it was by weight now, so you might not have to get a plastic one.

I thought I'd throw this out to you guys to see what you thought about this and see if you had any suggestions/advice. I'm shooting a Gen4 G34 in Production and must have smaller hands than the "average" person because I when holding the pistol, my index finger is barely on the trigger and I'm touching the frame. Not optimal. On my STI I put in the short trigger and it much better, but I'm not sure I have the option to do anything with the Glock in Production. Is there any allowance for a shorter trigger or removing material from the grip for the folks with smaller hands? Or any other ideas that I should consider? Thanks