nickatnite

You might want to check out Aristocrat Sights. They have been around for years and specialize in PPC sights for revolvers and some semi-autos. Another thing you might want to do is this: Buy a set of Warren/Sevigny Competition sights (fixed) - Competition rear and a .245 tall front. That gives you a point of aim/point of impact at 20-25 yards. Then, when you make a 50 yard shot, just hold a little high. That is an old trick from the PPC days. People whose guns had fixed sights with a 25 yd zero, when they moved to the 50 yd line, they take a "neck hold" on the B-27 target and that will give them a center of mass shot for 50 yds. The reason why I mention the Sevigny set up, is that this is my set up on my Glock 34 that I currently shoot Production USPSA and NRA Action Pistol (Bianchi Cup). There are 50 yd shots in Bianchi and it works.

I feel your pain. Glock never made a 2nd gen G34 (minus finger grooves). They made the 2.5 Gen (intro of finger grooves and 3 pin system, but no light rail).

Let's not perpetuate that myth: Glock produced plenty of G-34s on third generation frames (finger grooves and light rails) while only utilizing two pins total, one through the trigger housing, the other through the locking block and trigger..... But how many Glocks were built from the factory on frames with NO finger grips?

I agree, except that in many cases it provides no competitive advantage. In your example, I don't see how swapping identical parts would create a super gun. Not to mention the fact that it's perfectly legal to swap parts on the same model gun, such as swapping OEM G34 slides on G34 frames. So either swapping identical parts won't create a super gun, or creating super guns is already legal because you can already swap parts between like models. In either case your argument doesn't quite add up. I think the "slippery slope" notion that adding a "no competitive advantage" addendum will somehow create a 300 page rule book is a bit exaggerated. And we already have arbitration committees that decide on issues of competitive advantage all the time, so it's not like we'd be asking them to perform some super human feat of Solomon-like wisdom. I love Production division - it's my division of choice - and I think careful examination of the rules is critical in order to protect it from becoming Limited Minor Division. In fact, in many ways I think it has moved too far away from the intention of the division, what with all of the internal modifications that can be done. Those internal modifications with aftermarket parts actually can provide a competitive advantage and are in the direction of creating a "super gun." Swapping identical OEM pieces of plastic, not so much. It's strange that one is legal and the other isn't. That's all. Belt - See, I totally disagree. On the current set-up of a 3rd Gen or 4th Gen GLOCK, the factory finger groves hit the middle of my middle finger when I grip my G-34. Now I have several G-17's that are 2nd Gen and the grip is GREAT due to no finger grooves; however, how many 2nd Gen Glock 34's have you seen from the factory? It's an easy answer, NONE.... Glock did not start making the G-34 until the 2.5 Gen (Intro of the 3 pin system, finger grooves and NO light rail), then then the 3rd gen and up. So, to sum up what I just said, if I took one of my 2nd gen G-17 frames and put it on my G-34 slide, it is NOT legal for production, due to the fact that that particular style was never made as a production gun for sale to the public. Make sense?

That's all I'm running in my sp-01. I'm shooting a 130 grn flat point and it's .357 diameter and a 125 gr LRN sized to .356. Shoots great!

I just want to say thank you for hosting a great match. This past weekend was the first time since 1998 I shot a Bianchi match and I STILL have massive amounts of respect for the sport. I found out that Libety was shooting here near the house, so why not make an hour drive up to shoot and visit old friends. Thanks to Chief (oldtrooper), Ruthie and even Ed (Smith625) for talking me into it. Oh, I shot a 1300 ~ 48x. Not bad for a 12 year break! Now if I can just get some of these USPSA guys to go next time. It will humble some of the "gamers"...

I started shooting NRA AP back in the mid 1990's due to oldtrooper and a few others and was shooting an open revolver. I took a break back in 1998 and just this past weekend, shot my 1st match again. I shot my G-34 that is set up for USPSA. I also have a G-17 with straight black sights and I can see where those sights on the G-17 would benefit more. The highest scope I shot on an individual stage this weekend was the mover ( 400 ~ 8x )majority of shots in 10 and 8 zone almost horizontal. I would definitely say that the red fiber front helped tracking the mover down. For the next match, I'm taking the fiber optic out and run them as oldtrooper is suggesting...

I will choose NOT to continue to argue in this thread but want to clarify something in your reply... Me being "miserable until I got home" is your assumption. I had a great time (I came in 7th out of 22 Production C Shooters and I've had little practice considering events in my personal life), networked with some interesting folks and for the record, I did "man up". If you remember at the end of the stage, I shook your hand and said thank you. I could have been a grumpy, spineless SOB and really argued with you for what? To be disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct? I'm not complaining here, but merely stating some of my observations. I'm sure we will cross paths again and I would be more than happy to debate this and other things over a beer or three (as long as it's PBR).

I was wondering the same thing. If he was, I believe it would have been courteous to make note of such as to diaspell any ....curiosity...that might have arisen. There was no "my name is "So and So" and I'm on the top of the list." It was simply "I'm going to get my prize first..." No. He didn't say "my". He said "Matt". Like in Matt Mink. He turned and said "I guess Matt would want a flashlight." So, I take it he was on "top of the list"... That would be the list that has YET to be published (at the match yesterday, on here or the USPSA website), correct? I'm pretty sure that there was NO list that was posted yesterday with the overall production scores ( and I looked at all of the list in the 1 hour wait )... The only list of that nature was that of each individual stage. And... If indeed it was Matt Mink, what gives him the right to accept prizes from that table on other peoples behalf when they are not present? As it was understood, YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT TO PICK OFF OF THE PRIZE TABLE. Please correct me if I am wrong here... But, at the end of the day, it's NOT my match to run. And for the record, I have assisted with events of this nature and more, so I do know what I am talking about; I just feel that EVERYONE should be treated equal!

This was my first major USPSA match to attend and I have lots of mixed reviews. Overall, I will say that it went well. But here are some issues that should have been addressed. 1) When I went to get my shooter package, I was handed a course book and stickers. When I asked about the shooter "bag" everyone else had received, I was told that they had run out? How do you run out when you've had shooters registered for several months? Then I was told that they "might" have some more at the end of the match. They did, at the prize table. The same bags and some of the stuff some, my squad received the Friday night was on the table Sunday. Hmmm.... 2) We were assigned to shoot at 12:30 on Saturday (squad 17) and when we were ready, they informed us that they were shutting down to go to lunch and we would have to shoot this stage on Sunday, so we started an hour late (not due to our fault) at the next stage. 3) To the WONDERFUL R/O on the "Who Knows" stage. Here is a word of advice. When you tell a shooter to "make ready" and the shooter goes thru his routine, before you decide to push the start button, do not stop and tell me to move my foot over a little and expect me to NOT go thru my shooting routine again. Remember I AM the shooter, NOT you! Also, don't get all aggravated and throw your hands in the air when I do this also, it just makes you look more of an idiot! 4) Also, on that stage, when a competitor INSISTS he hit the target and request a calibration, DO NOT get mad at me because there are 3 bullet marks on said target because YOU forgot to paint it before I shot. If I request a calibration, pls honor my request and NOT argue with me where I shot (remember, I get the benefit of the doubt) and it's up to the RM at that time, NOT YOU... 5) Last on that same stage, one sees why it is imperative to follow the R/O when scoring targets. The last target was called Alpha / Charlie, when the second shot actually was in the perforated area (more on the Alpha side). I had to stop him and contest said target, which seemed like I was wasting his time. Now I know I was not in contention for any of the top spots, but I am a solid "C" shooter and wanted to have fun, but I also wanted to be treated fair. And last, How can someone that is not there still receive prizes from the prize table? The reason why I ask are these: * As we were waiting, the gentleman that was handling our table told us that he was going to pick his prize first and then we could go? Was he top in the ranking? * Also, as we were in line waiting our turn at the prize table, whoever was overseeing this list would call out a name, and if that person was not there, someone that was overseeing another table would tell our table that he left, but to grab the called person name something? Strange....

You mean like when one is standing in line at Wal Mart ready to check out and there are 3 people behind you? That will make on switch to the Arrendo +3 baseplates.

Lately, I've had an old habit re-appear. I'm putting my left index finger on the front of my trigger guard. I don't know why this has started again, but I feel like it is hindering my shot placement. Before I shoot a stage, I can run the entire stage in my head and even when I shadow draw, everything is fine. When I practice my draw strokes at home, hand placement is perfect. This is only happening during a match. Any suggestions? Maybe closing my mouth while I shoot will help? Here is a pic from a recent match for comments...

It's still in the process. I've got a new magwell on the way and still considering putting a stick shift on it for the mover. G-17 open... Mainly to be used for steel and NRA Action Pistol. But I cannot rule out shooting it at the local USPSA match, 9mm MINOR baby!!!!

I'm game... This is also my personal PDW, so why not shoot it for IDPA... My 3rd Gen GLOCK 19 that I just finished building. Here is the rundown. 3rd Gen GLOCK 19, I took a Dremel tool and removed the finger groves, I also modified the trigger guard. Lone Wolf Stainless Steel guide rod, 15lb ISMI spring I took the trigger, and polished the trigger bar Installed and polished a 3.5 # connector Installed a NY-1 trigger spring And on the topside, I'm running 2 different sets of sights that work great and give me POA/POI An XS Big DOT front sight with Trinium insert and Sevigny Carry rear sights (with the Trinium inserts.

Lemme try again...

I don't load the 115 gr Moly's; but, I do load the 130 gr from Black Bullets Inc in Minn and Precision Pullets in Kemp, Tx and both of those are great. Here is a view of what load's work best for my GLOCKS...

Thanks... I think I have finally found THE Dremel bit to use for grip reductions on GLOCKS. It's the Dremel bit # 562, which is a Carbide Tile Cutting bit. Here is a closer pic of the bit: This thing works GREAT on the GLOCK. Also, when you take your time it will create some great self stippling that is not too aggressive; but, feels good to the shooter. Here is a pic of the grip on underside of the trigger guard.

Hey Flex, Thanks for those ideas... I can still get the Tri-Set sights from Aristocrat. I'm tempted to get the set that you can purchase for the S&W PPC 9 where the sight sysem is 2 individual pieces. I'm tempted to just buy one of the 1 piece sights (the Auto 6) just to see how it lines up. The main sight that got me to thinking is the Aristocrat BD-6, where you adjust the rear sight for windage and then the front sight is adjustable. This is a stock picture. Notice the little slide adjuster on the front sight? That looks like the ticket there. Thanks guys for all of the ideas...

Thanks, Flex... It's actually 2 times a week, the match is 60 rds and courses of fire are from 5 yds to 25 yds and it's timed like PPC. Targets are either B-27, UPSPA or IDPA. For instance, last week, one course of fire would be draw, fire 6 rds into 1 target and reload and fire 6 more (within 18 seconds). Honestly, I'm just looking to experiment with the Glock platform.

Has anyone ever seen or heard of someone using an Aristrocrat tri-set sight on a Glock? Esp a G-17 of the G-34/35? I know that some are gonna chime in here on the accuracy thing; but, it seems like a great platform for that sight. THe reason why I ask, down here, we shoot every week a form of a PPC match (but only out to 25 yds). I regret getting rid of my old Bianchi Gun, but I was browsing thru today and ran across Bob Marvel's website and he builds 1911's in 9mm for PPC.

Here is mine. The G-34 is my Production gun and the G-19 is my IDPA gun...

I wanted something different for my GLOCK, so that it would not look like the others, so I sent my new G-34 to Daniel Hidalgo at Plate-Tacular. Daniel is a USPSA shooter here in our area that does gun coating and other work. I sat down with him and told him what I was looking for in color, I wanted the OD Green like Wilson Combat uses and he DID NOT let me down!!! While he was at it, I had him do my G-19 too.. Thanks again to Daniel. Here is his website: Plate Tacular... FYI.. The Glock-19 has the XS Big Dot Trinium front and Warren Sevigny Carry rear (with Trinium insert). I've gotten used to shooting the Warren sights for USPSA, so I got them on my carry gun now.

How about the absence of this particular one: 22 Gen4 .40 S&W ??? or the Glock G-19 RTF

Guys, Here is the new APPROVED Production gun list for GLOCK as of today: 17 9mm (24.8 oz.), 17 Gen4 9mm (24.8 oz.), 17 RTF2 9mm (24.2 oz.), 19 9mm (23.5 oz.), 20 10mm (30 oz.), 20 Gen4 .40 cal (25.4 oz.), 20 SF 10mm (30.4 oz.), 21 .45 ACP (29 oz.), 21 SF .45ACP (29.1 oz.), 22 .40S&W (25.5 oz.), 22 RTF2 .40S&W (25.7 oz.), 23 .40S&W (23.5 oz.), 26 9mm (21.8 oz.), 27 .40S&W (21.8 oz.), 29 10mm (27 oz.), 29 SF 10mm (27.4 oz.), 30 SF .45ACP (26.5 oz.), 30 .45ACP (26.5 oz.), 31 .357Sig (26 oz.), 32 .357Sig (24 oz.), 33 .357Sig (22 oz.), 34 9mm (25.8 oz.), 35 .40 S&W (27.5 oz.), 36 .45 ACP (22.5 oz.), 37 .45 GAP (26 oz.), 38 .45 GAP (26.8 oz.), 39 .45 GAP (21.8 oz.) (L models are not approved) C models are allowed providing that the barrel is non-ported and the other requirements are met. Short Frame (SF) versions of models approved. Now look it over close and tell me which gun (or guns) are NOT included! lol