Steven Cline

- Our shooters should be more honest instead of making the rules more complicated. When told to shoot each of 6 targets once, reload, and shoot each target again, and instead you shoot 3 targets twice, reload and shoot the other three targets twice you haven't gamed- you've cheated. Instead of procedurals you ought to go home. If say you didn't cheat because you didn't understand the WSB then you ought to go home because you're too stupid to have a gun around other people as those instructions are as clear a day. Okay, I can't send you home for being stupid, I can send you home for 10.6.1. I say if you have jerks who do the above and then waste everyone's time arguing semantical BS... have an RM man up and send 'em home once. That ought to be all it takes. If not, send 'em home again. I've never used 10.6.1. I don't wanna. I shouldn't have to. But if someone pulls that stunt, I'd consider it. - My ruling for procedurals is 6: 3 on the first string for gaining significant advantage based on less transitions, 3 on the second string for gaining significant advantage for less transitions (10.2.2). That is enough. I don't need to justify more or risk the penalties being overturned in arbitration with apparent double/triple-whammies for the same thing ("failure to follow directions, out of sequence, reload at wrong time are all really the same thing) or torturing language to make it fit what I think instead of what he did and the clear rule which will withstand arbitration. He zeroes the stage and get's an admonition that the next time I'll use the 10.6.1. nuke. - The WSB can state no-stacking since no rule prohibits the stating of no-stacking in the WSB. It is simply un-necessary. Un-necessary is not the same as prohibitted. ETA: I bounced this off my wife: 'Hey, hon, a stage states shoot each of 6 targets once, reload, and shoot the 6 again once each. Instead a guy shoots three targets twice, reloads and shoots the other three twice each... whaddya think?" Her response, "Fail! Everybody knows if you don't follow directions you fail." There ya go. Just look at the guy and yell, "Fail!"

OK, I got the information. I'm not "special" but I am, "capacity challenged."

I can't find a clear mailing address for shipping ammo. I can't a matchbook or round count. Am I stupid and passing right past it? Or is it just not there on the 1911ssc.org webpage?

"Ain't nobody got time for that." I wonder if I can get that onto my jersey somehow.

At the Space City Challenge four 1911 shooters finished in the top 34 HOA... One as far up as 17! Can you imagine that? 17th, 7 stages, and a skinny, half-mag, 100+ yr old design can still be shot well enough to beat more than 200 competitors! The warhorse is not dead!

That guy is prolly on another forum writing about MIM parts and Kimbers right now... getting lots of sympathy and agreement that it was Kimber's fault.

Ahhhh, the places we go...

1911 go fast

Anything to the rumor that a stage got tossed?

Idahoshooter gets my vote... and I am considering a road trip to steal the shirt, license plate and hitch.

I submit he should be "aka Mucho Reloadre"

The blind fold makes you look like a super-hero... daredevil-ish.

Ronnie's a SNOB!!!

I'd go with probabtionary... (contingent on USPSA membership and SS classification and no more dances with the devil by the pale moon light?) I'll let the more senior voting members opine further.

pssst I turned .45 yesterday.

I want my GUNPORN!!! The rules sez he hasta post gun porn, original gun porn. I had to share gun porn of my precious, he shares his gun porn or produces gunporn, but gun porno he must! And I get to live vicariously by seeing how many Limited and Open gunners are list below his name in results somewhere.

I am ready to vote affirmative, however we require proof of having shot in Single Stack division and an image of both sides of you gun are required. Gun porn is scarse, ya know. I must ask ( and you should check the very first post of this thread for the correct answer to give ); in what Division did you shoot that 34?

Excellent!

You are in. Fault Line . . . . . . . . . .A physical ground reference line in a course of fire which defines the limit(s) of the shooting area. 2.2.1.2 Shooting Boxes and Fault Lines are used to define the limits of the shooting area(s). (See Rule 10.2.1) Fault line is part of the shooting area. So if you are standing on it, with feet not touching either side, you are deemed inside the shooting area. Fault lines define the limits of the shooting area -- no where does it say that the fault line is part of the shooting area. (It is not.....) 10.2.1 specifically asses penalties for faulting the line -- i.e. touching the ground on the other side. The fault line is still an artificial construct that isn't really there, from a rules perspective.... In the physical world we play in, it's usually fairly easy to stand on fault line -- because most clubs use 1x4 or 2x4 as materials..... What if faultline were triangular though, with the base on the ground and the tip facing up -- of the proper height. Be a lot harder to balance on top of it.... Actually the rules make it quite clear the fault lines a physical construct: 2.2.1 Competitor movement may be restricted or controlled through the use of physical barriers, Fault Lines, Shooting Boxes, or Off-Limits Lines. Here Fault Lines and Shooting Boxes are on par with physcial barriers, with the artifical construct of the off limits area being seperated identified. The off limits area is artifical sense it is understood in the mind to be a forbidden area, though you could enter you must not. Though artifical constructs can define, a fault line is not understood singularly in the mind, it is a real thing, it has a physcial and visual pressence. See below: 2.2.1.1 Shooting Boxes and Fault Lines should be constructed of wooden boards or other suitable material, must be fixed firmly in place, and provide both physical and visual references to competitors. For hard ground surfaces clear of debris, 0.75 inch material is the minimum allowable size. On other range surfaces, such as covered with turf, sand, gravel, wood chips or similar, thicker material which rises at least 1.5 inches above the surface is recommended. Here the artificial construct is defined with a minimum thickness, a material, is fixed firmly in place, and has a physical and visual reference. We can't do that with a artificial construct. It must be a physcial construct since it has a minimum size and physical as well as visual reference. 2.2.1.2 Shooting Boxes and Fault Lines are used to define the limits of the shooting area(s). (See Rule 10.2.1) Fault line physically define the shooting area because they both define the shooting are and have a physical presence. Thus not artificial. 2.2.1.3 Fault Lines extending rearward (uprange) should be a minimum of 3 feet in length, and unless otherwise stated in the written stage briefing, are deemed to extend rearward to infinity. Here we have the physcial construct beign given the right to become a artificial (if not theoretical) construct by allowing it to be "deemed to extend rearward to infinity."

That's not what the rules say though..... In a practical sense, you're correct -- because the alternative would be to assess a penalty when the side of a foot or the toes merely touch the side of a fault line..... It's exactly what the rules say. You are not faulting unless you are touching the ground outside the shooting area. The fault lines define the shooting area. Ergo, the fault line is the shooting area, the ground outside the shooting area is not the shooting area.

This thread reminds me of the question I've been dying to ask: why did we end up having to have "must" and "shall" defined as "mandatory" in the glossary? I mean seriously????

The fault line is within the shooting area. I don't need to have ever persons personal whims satisfied when a perfectly reasonable person can grasp that you only fault when you touch the ground outside the fault lines. Since you only fault when you touch the ground outside the fault line the fault line must be part of the shooting area.

To throw this at y'all... When you have one foot outside the shooting are you are not "standing outside the shooting area;" you are simply faulting. If are standing with both feet inside the shooting area you are standing inside the shooting are. You would not be standing outside the shooting area. If you are standing with one foot inside the shooting area and one foot outside the shooting area you would be standing with one foot inside the shooting area and one foot inside the shooting area and one foot outside the shooting area. You would not be standing outside the shooting area. If are standing with both feet outside the shooting area you would standing outside the shooting area. There is a difference between gaming and disingenuously twisting logic and language to claim you are doing something you are not.

Shoot this today: 3.14 sec., 30 pnts for 9.5541 HF. The calc says 99.6%. Single Stack Shot with Kimber Supermatch II, 200 grn LSWC PISHPEK BY 4.4 grn of Clays.

Respectfully fellow snob, must regretably disagree. There is one time when you can count past 8+1... When your bride and fellow club member (#67) decides to shoot skinny minor this year "to give my hubby a chance". The worst part... she won the division shooting minor last match. With great humility and gentle demeanor, I submit that ultimate snobbery would dictate only .45 and 8+1 is the appropriate count for Knights of John Browning who are without blemish or stain. I am however a fallen creature who has confessed his sins and renounced his youthful lusts. I am forgiven and therefore forgiving, and gracious accept that fellow snob #67 may shoot... 8+1+1+1. Esteemed Sir... Your clever turn of phrase is exceptionally enlightening, however, again in my humble defense after 21 years of having not found the way to win any argument and still not stay in the unlit, unheated canine abode, I am forced to aquiece to the highest authority. (Begin Southern drawl) However, I aint givin up my youthful lusts... that sounds like way too much fun... watch this and hold my beer. Shoot, Cletus, I was jes joshin' ya! We all knows if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. I'll hold yer beer... Wait, I'll video tape ya!