9x45 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Thanks danse, Westcastings says the 158 gr will fit a standard Glock, but the 180s are too long. That 158 is a weird looking bullet. Gonna email then and ask for a sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Heard back from UltraTech, they don't sell loaded ammo to the US of A. Bogus! Hopefully I can score some of those weird 158's from Westcastings. That should be the ticket for a small frame Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 lol no way, you can crimp down a .40 to fit a .357 and have it fire in the barrel?Well I have formed and fired thousands of them so I'm pretty sure you canSent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hennig Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I run 168s in my .357Sig CZ75 TS and make major. Lot spongier feeling than the 125 loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 You can also try Xtreme's 158gn RNFP's. The profile should be similar to the Westcastings. They run great in my TS using Unique. Have also used 170gn RN's to good the effect.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 lol no way, you can crimp down a .40 to fit a .357 and have it fire in the barrel?Yes way, it works out a hair shorter overall but it's no problem Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Don't know of any 180gr 9mm, but no not really because the .357SIG is pretty much restricted to 125s and 140s of a certain shape because of the short neck and constrained by the OAL. Not all 125's work either. On the left, 125JHP Montana Gold 9mm bullet, works great and OAL is standard at 1.140" On the right, 125 Bayou, seated to 1.155" Tried them out to 1.175" to pickup the full bullet diameter, ahead of the taper, and while it would chamber, it wouldn't feed in the magazine. For a Glock mag, 1.155" is max to feed. So you can see the Bayous are not the right shape for the .357SIG. Standard 125 gr 9mms don't work at all because of the shape. There is only .150" of neck length to press. Tell that to probably 80% of Australia's IPSC Standard Division shooters. We aren't allowed to shoot .40 anymore but can shoot .357Sig. No one I know shoots lighter than a 150 and most shoot 170-180's.For the same PF (180) I need to run a 18lb Spring in my TS shooting Sig vs a 16lb shooting .40The .40 is more of a push too whereas you need to muscle the Sig.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Matt, I was talking a Glock 31 (small frame, maximum OAL for the magazine is 1.160"), but why can't you guys shoot 40S&W? That's not a military caliber. I thought IPSC major floor was 170? Edited October 11, 2016 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'm trying to score some of these 158s from WestCasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Matt, I've got a buddy who reps Extreme, I'll get a sample of the 158s from him. UltraTech says they use 40 S&W brass for their ammo. Ends up about .020" shorter in a 357SIG, but still doesn't have the pressure rating because the SIG cas has thicker walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Got some Blue Bullets RN 147s. They actually weigh in at 151 grains, so I loaded a dozen up on top of 6.7 grains of BE-86 at 1.145" They chamber check fine. They only need to go 1,100 fps for major. Will chrono next weekend. 124 Bayou on the left at 1.155" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Matt, I was talking a Glock 31 (small frame, maximum OAL for the magazine is 1.160"), but why can't you guys shoot 40S&W? That's not a military caliber. I thought IPSC major floor was 170?Most shooters use the 2011 platform but not all. I run a CZ TS which has the same OAL limitations as the Glock.We are only allowed to shoot up to .38 calibre except for Cowboy Action and Metallic Silhouette. 357 Sig was given dispensation to make Major in IPSC largely for us Aussies.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Matt, I've got a buddy who reps Extreme, I'll get a sample of the 158s from him. UltraTech says they use 40 S&W brass for their ammo. Ends up about .020" shorter in a 357SIG, but still doesn't have the pressure rating because the SIG cas has thicker walls.I've never heard that about Sig brass having thicker walls. Many of us (probably most of us) use .40 because it's cheap. Loading to 180PF+ many times without a problem. We loose it before it wears out.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Matt, hook me up with WestCastings. They don't seem, to like, you know, speak SoCal.....Bogus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Yea, thicker walls because the 357SIG is rated at 40Ksi and the 40S&W at 35Ksi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Matt, hook me up with WestCastings. They don't seem, to like, you know, speak SoCal.....BogusThey've probably never been asked about export before. How much are you after and I'll ask them for a price.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1K, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 fyi a couple of sti dvc 357 sigs on gunbroker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 1K, thanks. Heard back from them. They can export but you'd have to apply for an import permit to get them in.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Thanks, Mate Matt, I'll see how the 147 Blues work out, actually weighing in at 151. Should work fine. davsco, thanks, but I carry Glock 31s, so the STIs have too many buttons for me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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