Control Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) Hi folks, This is my first post. I read may of your posts on the Grand Power line of pistols and I finally picked one up. Thanks for providing so much good information! My question is related to the single action trigger pull. My new Grand Power K100 has two clicks in the single action pull if the hammer is cocked by the thumb or slide. The first click happens right at the beginning of the pull. The second click is the sear releasing the hammer. Note that if you hold the trigger to the rear when cycling the action you will not get this first click. I'm having trouble cutting and pasting a URL, but if you Google "Grand Power Excalibur Trigger Issues?" you'll find a YouTube video that shows exactly what I am trying to describe. The first click is very annoying. Below is what I think is going on. Note that in the Grand Power, the trigger bar is also the disconnector (I'll call it the trigger bar/disconnector below). When the hammer is cocked, a tab on the hammer presses on the trigger bar/disconnector to push it forward. After the gun is cocked, there appears to be enough pressure from the trigger return spring to hold the trigger bar/disconnector against this tab on the hammer and not allow the trigger bar/disconnecor to snap up. This first click in the single action trigger pull appears to be the trigger bar/disconnector snapping up because it is "released" from this tab on the hammer. I have two questions. 1) Does everyone's Grand Power have two clicks in single action if the trigger is not held to the rear when cycling the gun? 2) Is there a way to polish the tab on the hammer that pushes the trigger bar forward or the rear of the trigger bar so that the trigger bar/disconnector snaps up without requiring a slight pull on the trigger? Or, is there a way to rebalance the trigger return spring and hammer spring to get the same affect? Thanks! Edited August 8, 2015 by Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I don't have my k100 with me. Neither Xcal does it,but it's a different hammer and sear engagement. I'm at nationals right now so I'll check with Steve when he gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thanks Kingman! Its good to see that not all Grand Power pistols do this. I'm pretty sure this "two clicks on single action trigger pull" can also occur on the Excalibur. The "Grand Power Excalibur Trigger Issues?" YouTube video shows the exact same issue on an Excalibur. In the video you can see the trigger bar disconnector tabs snap up on the first single action trigger pull click on the Excalibur in the video. That is exactly what my K100 does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I don't ever notice something like that. I pull through to the break zone very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 I spend a little time lightly polishing the rear of the trigger bar and the tab on the hammer that presses it but that did no good. I did learn how to take down the firearm completely very quickly as a reward for my efforts. I'll note that the internal machining on these things is very nice. I got a definitive answer to this question from Canuck223. Thanks Canuck223! It turns out that the click on the first pull of the single action is considered normal by Grand Power. The tab on the hammer must release the trigger bar / disconnector so that it can snap up. If you have a Grand Power that doesn't do this, consider yourself lucky as it must have a magic combination of trigger return spring pressure and trigger bar/hammer tab contact angles. He did state that no amount of polishing will fix the issue so don't bother with it. I don't find a loud click at the start of my single angle pull acceptable so I'll be returning this gun to Eagle Imports. Unfortunately, I was not able to try a Grand Power before purchasing it (there are none available to try in my local gun stores) but ***I highly recommend you consider this early click in the single action trigger pull before purchasing the gun.*** Some find it not to be an issue. Others like me (and others from reading various forum posts) find it unacceptable. I'll note that if Grand Power is able to get rid of this first single action click in a product upgrade I'll pick up another one. I liked just about everything else about the gun. Except perhaps re-assembling which remains tough for me. The red recoil spring on the k100 is quite stiff and its a bit of a fight to get it back together. Thanks again for the comments and help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM83 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 The trigger clicks when you press it. I am not sure why this is a problem. Can you elaborate on why this is an issue for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 JRM83, I have two issues with the first click is single action on the Grand Power. Firstly, my expectation from other firearms like the CZ and 1911 is that the single action trigger pull is smooth and free from clicks or other motions until the sear breaks from the hammer. The Grand Power single action trigger pull does have this audible and tactile click and I find it distracting. I should note that even on the range with my ear protection on I could feel the click on the single action trigger pull. Secondly, I like guns that behave the same from the first shot to the last shot. With the Grand Power, the first single action shot will have this early click but follow up single action shots will not. This inconstancy from one shot to the next is perhaps my biggest concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You press through the slack. The click does not affect pull If it's affecting your pull learn better trigger prep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styer Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 You will probably only notice it during dry fire. When I'm actually shooting in the field it is never noticed. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 I do notice the click during live slow fire. Probably because I'm looking for it. . During speed drills I never feel it. I think this click is simply something that bugs you or does not. I'll agree 100% that is does not affect pull or sight alignment. I'd still like to know why some grand powers do this and others do not. I'll bet some difference in trigger return spring pressure and hammer/trigger bar angles makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Xcal is completely different engagement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 The Excalibur does appear to have a different sear but the engagement of the hammer and trigger bar when cocking appears identical to my k100. In fact, the "Grand Power Excalibur Trigger Issues?" Youtube video shows an Excalibur with the exact same click mine has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Dunno what to tell you. Have two of them. It's not an issue. It's not a repair. It's part of the way the system works. Had a long talk about this with GP techs after researching. I've never noticed clicks. But. I pull through fast to the break point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM83 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 My k100 mk7 and the X-cal I just picked up both do the click thing. It doesn't bother me in the least. The only time I notice is slow firing at the range. I rarely do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I do lots and lots of long range practice. I finally noticed. It's the first shot on a dropped slide. But it doesn't affect accuracy. It happens early in the pull long before you get to the sear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I don't get why it bothers you. a lot of other guns have a feel when you take up the first amount of slack in the trigger, the click isn't even so much a feel. It took me playing with the gun quite a bit to feel it. What do you usually shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Steve, If it takes you a while to feel the click, it must be different than on my gun. Below is an example of a Grand power that acts very similar to my own. I usually shoot 1911s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qbert Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Non-issue. It's not a flaw, but if it bugs you, get a different gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 That's my video. Apparently, this is how the trigger is designed. I only have a sample of one but not everyone seems to be experiencing this with their pistols. Ive learned to live with it. Its annoying but i cannot feel it at all during actual match speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Magsz, Thanks for taking the time to make the video! It really demonstrates the click well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It's the back of the trigger bow resetting on top of the sear. Once you are familiar with the internals, you get it. It's nothing. This trigger is very, very different from anything else. If you remove the spacer from the hammer spring, to reduce trigger pull, it's even more obvious. Nothing to worry about. Mine does that and I just hose away. Only rare issues with his gun is double feeds if I let the space between the feed lips get too far from .355. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I've never had said issue. ... but i think Nic could break an anvil with a banana. after noticing it, and dry firing..... it still doesn't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrow Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 My xcal clicks too. Its a new thing, and everyone that picks it up notices it right off the bat. But it hasn't bothered anyone that shoots it and their groupings reflect that. My buddies all comment on how easy and effortless it is to shoot. If it bugs you now then it'll probably bug you later. Have yet to experience the double feeds. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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