rtr Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Is anyone aware of a major 3gun match our sanctioning organization that does not allow vertical foregrips (without a built in bipod and not long enough to be used as a monopod on level ground)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey1 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 As far as I know they are legal in all of teh matches I shoot (BRM3G, FB3G, FNH, etc., State and Area matches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Legal, but do not let it touch anything dureing fireing or will be bumped to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Not legal for Superstition Mountain Mystery 3 Gun. Unless they changed the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I thought most matches allowed it so long as it started and finished on the rifle and was not removed during the match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A well Earled machine Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Legal, but do not let it touch anything dureing fireing or will be bumped to open. Really Benny? I don't see that in the USPSA rule book - are you referring to another match's rules? If we say that fore grips bump you to open if they touch then the same applies for mags and I know a lot of guys who have Ralph's cool thing on the bottom of their mags for just that purpose. A fore grip resting on a prop isn’t that big of an advantage - one of those fore grips that has the pop out bipod may be but we have a rule for that. We should be carful about how many rules we create - it's getting so that to be a good R/O you need to spend so much time "in the book" at home to stay up on everything you don't have time to practice with your guns at the range. Just some food for thought, Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Many matches allow VFG's but have begun to limit the use of the VFG to just being a gripping device. In other words you can use it to grip the rifle but can not use it to enhance supporting the rifle agains barricades, on the ground, props, etc. As to monopodding of magazines, some matches have limited monopoding to just one magazine rather than being able to monopod on coupled magazines. Again look at a particular matches rules to determine what is kosher and what is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitram Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 So let me ask a question to clarify this thread--can a vertical foregrip be used in the USPSA tactical or limited multigun divisions? If yes, is there a restriction on using the foregrip as a monopod? I've been shooting multigun for a while but I've just recently started running a local multigun match. This question popped up during the last match and I didn't have a solid answer for it. Anyone willing to anwer and quote rule numbers would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) So let me ask a question to clarify this thread--can a vertical foregrip be used in the USPSA tactical or limited multigun divisions? If yes, is there a restriction on using the foregrip as a monopod? I've been shooting multigun for a while but I've just recently started running a local multigun match. This question popped up during the last match and I didn't have a solid answer for it. Anyone willing to anwer and quote rule numbers would be appreciated. No rules say you cannot use them....but what Benny and some of the others are saying is that, the rules do say you cannot use supporting devices and if you use the VG to say......rest against a table, even a VG which doesn't have a bipod built into it, that can be deemed a "supporting device" bumping you to open. the Double magazine is something that runs on a match by match basis....I've never shot one that doesn't allow monopoding off of a double mag, but I believe Superstition doesn't allow it (one of those guys correct me if im wrong). This thread is heading toward the same direction as a few others on what is and what is not, "a supporting device". to answer the op's question.........VG's are perfectly legal so long as you don't use them as a "supporting device" to shoot off of, which in effect makes shooting with them on your rifle rather problematic, because it is at the RO's discretion to deem what is and what is not "supporting" your rifle Edited February 10, 2011 by GorillaTactical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biga9999 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Would using one of the Noveske K9 barricade supports bump you to open as well? Since it is used to gain support against a wall? Seems like it accomplishes a similar goal, just on a different plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Would using one of the Noveske K9 barricade supports bump you to open as well? Since it is used to gain support against a wall? Seems like it accomplishes a similar goal, just on a different plane. All your answers are here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biga9999 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) That was long... appears to be match specific??? Made me think about my rifle and I just took off my AFG. Will try shooting without it, and this way I can rest my handguard without fear of getting bumped to open b/c my AFG was resting on a barrell. Not that it will matter much which class I am shooting in at this point. Edited February 11, 2011 by biga9999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 That was long... appears to be match specific??? Made me think about my rifle and I just took off my AFG. Will try shooting without it, and this way I can rest my handguard without fear of getting bumped to open b/c my AFG was resting on a barrell. Not that it will matter much which class I am shooting in at this point. Correct. It really just depends on the MD....out at the BOTW we haven't ever enforced a rule where using a VFG on a table bumps you to open. But some places can. It makes running without a VFG/AFG more desirable if you can get used to it. With that said, Rob Romero of NST runs and AFV and he is always placing at the top of the tac optics class..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike P Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 It ain't the AFG that places Romero at the top (but I'm sure everyone knows that). To say that you can have a VFG, but then say you cant use it for whatever support you can get out of it is silly. I've seen shooters use mags for support in much the same way as a VFG is used on a barricade or roof prop. Read the rules for the match...then game it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 It ain't the AFG that places Romero at the top (but I'm sure everyone knows that). shoot! I just ordered one I didn't mean to imply that at all. Mike is right though, read the rules for the match and setup your rifle to best exploit those rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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