Limited or limited 10 question

[grapeape]

I have shot alot of steel but have only attended a couple ipsc shoots. I want to get serious about 1 of these 2 divisions so I have a couple questions.

First, which class is more competitive? Has more shooters on average and better shooters.

Limited 10

1) Can you start out stripping one off in the chamber and putting in a full 10 round clip to give you 11 rounds.

2) Is any 1911 a good choice for this division? I used to shoot a Kimber 45 and was considering this division because I loved that gun.

3) Any other rules I need to know when buying equipment for this? I have read through the rules but maybe I am missing something.

Limited: This class and Open are what I have shot in the past with my .38 super guns I use for steel.

1) I dont like being scored minor though so was considering another gun. The Para in .40 or the STI Edge in .40 seem like the obvious choices for a limited gun because of mag capacity and major scoring. Is there a better choice?

Most of the really serious shooters I know always go to open class it seems. I have gotten tons of advice from these people mostly saying I should just load my open gun to major, but i just dont have alot of fun shooting a dot gun. I have seemed to resist the darkside even though I do have a very viable open class gun I dont shoot because it just isnt as fun.

Anyway thats why I am looking for some limited specialists and their advice.

I appreciate and advice or suggestions.

[G-ManBart]

I have shot alot of steel but have only attended a couple ipsc shoots. I want to get serious about 1 of these 2 divisions so I have a couple questions.

First, which class is more competitive? Has more shooters on average and better shooters.

Limited 10

1) Can you start out stripping one off in the chamber and putting in a full 10 round clip to give you 11 rounds.

2) Is any 1911 a good choice for this division? I used to shoot a Kimber 45 and was considering this division because I loved that gun.

3) Any other rules I need to know when buying equipment for this? I have read through the rules but maybe I am missing something.

Limited: This class and Open are what I have shot in the past with my .38 super guns I use for steel.

1) I dont like being scored minor though so was considering another gun. The Para in .40 or the STI Edge in .40 seem like the obvious choices for a limited gun because of mag capacity and major scoring. Is there a better choice?

Most of the really serious shooters I know always go to open class it seems. I have gotten tons of advice from these people mostly saying I should just load my open gun to major, but i just dont have alot of fun shooting a dot gun. I have seemed to resist the darkside even though I do have a very viable open class gun I dont shoot because it just isnt as fun.

Anyway thats why I am looking for some limited specialists and their advice.

I appreciate and advice or suggestions.

I'm assuming you mean USPSA (U.S.) and not actually IPSC (most of the rest of the world) right?

For L-10, yes, you can put a round in the chamber and then use a full 10-round magazine (call it a clip and we'll tease you!).

Equipment for Lim and L-10 is pretty much whatever you want...same as Open. No position restrictions or type of holster rules. If it's safe, you're set.

As to which is more competitive, in some places you'll find more Limited shooters and in others more L-10 shooters. A lot of that is whether you're in a state that has 10-round mag limits. In those states you're not going to have many folks shooting Limited because they can't get the mags or didn't have them prior to the law changes.

In general, there are more Limited shooters at most of the places I've been. You can go to almost any club and find very good competition in Limited.

As far as L-10 guns go, a single stack 1911 can definitely be competitive. Most people who want to shoot a 1911/2011 in L-10 seem to prefer the 2011 style for easier reloads (larger hole to hit). Other than that, it's probably a wash. There's a bit of flexibility in what you can do with a 2011, weight wise, but it's not a huge factor. Don't discount other guns like Paras, Caspian hi-caps, Glocks, XD's, M&Ps or the EAA Witness. All of them can hang with the best if the shooter does his/her part.

As far as Limited guns a Para or an Edge in .40 would make a good choice. Again, some of the others like the Witness, Glock 35, Caspian hi-cap, etc can all be made into outstanding Limited guns. Some form of 2011, whether STI or SVI, is the most popular choice out there. Next is probably the Glock and then the Para...just from what I've seen. Everything else can work, but you don't see as many of them. If you're going to buy a guy, you definitely want a .40 and you definitely want something that will give you 18-20 round mags. If you're in that ballpark, and the gun runs, it's going to be what you do that determines your results.

After being inactive in the sport for a long time I went with an Edge, with Dawson's Supertuned package, got some tuned mags, did a little work to the gun myself (grip stipple/contour, trigger job, swapped safeties, swapped front sight width) and it's run like a top. I shoot more Open than anything, but really do enjoy shooting Limited.

The only other thing to consider would be a 6" gun. Not everybody likes them, but a lot of people do. When I get my next Limited gun built it's going to be a 6" gun for sure....now if I can just sneak it by momma!

Edit to add: it's easy to do, but Limited, L-10 etc are all divisions. Guns are by divisions, shooters are by class.

Edited July 25, 2009 by G-ManBart

[Flexmoney]

What's not fun about Open?

If you like a single-stack Kimber, then Limited-10 is a good place to play.

Limited is...generally...a more populated division (than L-10). Given that, you often will see more competition there. But, that really depends on where you are shooting and who is there to shoot against. At the Area 5 match this year, L-10 was the most hotly contested division...having two past National Champions battling for 1st place.

[grapeape]

Open class guns are fun, just not as fun for me as iron sights. I guess the biggest problem I have is I can be somewhat competitive in limited or somewhat competitive in open but not both at the same time. I usually just shoot my limited gun in open class steel just because I practice with that and shoot it just about as well as the dot gun. If I put the time in and practice with the dot gun I really pay the price with my limited gun.

Thanks for the long post G-manBart very imformitive.

I will try to remember to say magazine and USPSA!

A 6" gun sounds interesting. I am debating on going cheap and getting a Para but that Edge or a Caspian (both guns i have now are Caspians) is probably what I am going to end up with and shoot Limited. It will also probably take me a couple more months to get a Caspian or STI, everyone seems pretty busy right now.

I think Limited is the class I will pick, alot of the real good man on man steel shooters I know, seem to shoot limited and that was very competitive at the local club.

We dont shoot alot of steel in the winter here but the USPSA guys seem to shoot all year. That is going to end up as my winter sport I guess.

Edited July 25, 2009 by grapeape

[grapeape]

Another question.

I heard from the grapevine that USPSA might be changing the rules to allow 38 super load up to major PF in limited soon? Any truth to that rumor?

[boz1911]

Another question.

I heard from the grapevine that USPSA might be changing the rules to allow 38 super load up to major PF in limited soon? Any truth to that rumor?

I wouldn't count on that happening..........I doubt they are interested in starting an equipment race.

[Micah]

Another question.

I heard from the grapevine that USPSA might be changing the rules to allow 38 super load up to major PF in limited soon? Any truth to that rumor?

No chance. Such a ruling would instantly put everyone's Limited gun and mags at a disadvantage, thus disenchanting thousands of members.

[G-ManBart]

Another question.

I heard from the grapevine that USPSA might be changing the rules to allow 38 super load up to major PF in limited soon? Any truth to that rumor?

I hesitate to say it'll never happen, but it's so unlikely that I'd bet a paycheck it'll never happen!

[DogmaDog]

The only other thing I can think of:

You can shoot your Limited gun in Limited-10...just put 10 rounds in the mag instead of 19 (or however many it holds).

You can shoot your Kimber in L-10 or single stack division.

If you had a Glock or XD or something similar, you could shoot it in Production, or Limited, or Limited-10.

So your choices aren't entirely exclusive of each other.

The 10-round divisions (L-10, Prod), and Single Stack will really drive your reloading performance, while Limited will drive you to shoot on the move a little more.

DD

[Walküre]

My primary focus right now is Limited, running with a CZ 75 Tactical Sports .40S&W. Absolutely love that gun - by far, the most accurate-shooting handgun that I presently possess.

We have a variety of people who run L10 at our local club matches. Several run 1911s with 10-rounders; I myself have a DOH attachment for my 1911 holster for whenever I get around to buying some 10-rounders. Another guy occassionaly uses his CZ 75B SA 9mm, shooting L10 minor (L10 because he only has one 19-round mag, and he doesn't feel the bump to 16 rounds would be worth it). Some of the regular Limited guys also shoot L10 periodically to practice additional reloads.

[Pezco]

Today is my 1 year USPSA shooting anniversary. I have tried Production, SS, Revolver, L-10 and Limited and think Limited has what your looking for in your stated goals. I am however looking forward to trying Open and just received my new blaster.

Limited allows you to run and gun with fewer reloads which suits my taste.

Good luck and hope you have primers!

[Sam]

L-10 is a great Division in which to shoot a single stack 1911. You can also do well with a standard Kydex holster. I shot L10 at Area 1 this year with a Kydex IWB holster and did OK.

This is just a personal preference. But, shooting a match with my favorite gun and holster seems way more relevant than strapping on my whole "Limited Costume" and my fat gun. All I have to do to shoot IDPA is change to 8 round mags. -Sam

[MarkCO]

I like Limited 10 for the single stack 1911. But I generally prefer Limited. At least here, it is Random to get a top shooter in Limited 10 and as such Limited gives me a better perspective of my Shooting as compared to the GMs. I shoot an EAA Witness Limted in .40 and a G35 in Limited.

[Sam815]

I like Limited 10 for the single stack 1911. But I generally prefer Limited. At least here, it is Random to get a top shooter in Limited 10 and as such Limited gives me a better perspective of my Shooting as compared to the GMs. I shoot an EAA Witness Limted in .40 and a G35 in Limited.

I have been running a Glock 34 in both Limited/L-10/Production for the past year. I've decided to pull out my Para P-16 this year and see where I can go with it as far as Limited goes. If all goes well, I'll just leave my Glock for L-10.