Steel under a wall

[open17]

Level one USPSA match. We use walls that have about a 18" gap between the bottom of

the wall and the ground. Shooter engages and knocks over a ground level steel plate

that is visible under the wall. What's the correct call be the RO?

According to the rules it should be Range Equipment Failure and a reshoot. Correct?

All props are hard cover. Walls"extend" to the ground. A shot through hard cover that

knocks down steel is REF and a reshoot.

Bill

[HoMiE]

Someone did that on your squad too?

That would be my call.

2.2.3.3 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, all such

barriers, walls, vision barriers and snow fence barriers will be

considered to go from the ground to the height as constructed.

9.1.6.2 If a bullet strikes wholly within hard cover, and continues on to

hit a plate or strike down a popper; this will be treated as range

equipment failure (see Section.4.6). The competitor will be

required to reshoot the course of fire, after it has been restored.

[Punkin Chunker]

Someone did that on your squad too?

That would be my call.

2.2.3.3 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, all such

barriers, walls, vision barriers and snow fence barriers will be

considered to go from the ground to the height as constructed.

9.1.6.2 If a bullet strikes wholly within hard cover, and continues on to

hit a plate or strike down a popper; this will be treated as range

equipment failure (see Section.4.6). The competitor will be

required to reshoot the course of fire, after it has been restored.

Seems like there ought to be more than that, but if there is, I can't find it, unless the WSB specifies a penalty for engaging below the wall.

I suppose that in the case of blatant actions, you could make a case for unsportsmanlike conduct, but that might be tough to make stick, since the rules seem pretty clear.

[Joe4d]

The WSB probably should have been clearer. I have heard "Shoot em as you see em" as well as the all the way up all the way down. I have also shot stages that were specifically designed to shoot under a wall, granted the WSB called the 18 inch space under the wall a "low port"

[Kingman]

also if that steel happened to be within 7 yards under the wall DQ.

[open17]

Someone did that on your squad too?

Same incident Mitch. I got involved in the discussion, and there were some differing

opinions. Just figured I would post it here and see what the rest of the world thought.

Bill

[HoMiE]

Quick easy way to cover the plate like that is staple a noshoot to the wall or throw a barrel in the way.

Who reads or listens during walk-through?

[Ron Ankeny]

I know what happened when Sam shot under a wall and it certainly wasn't a reshoot.