Hoops Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, jrdoran said: Latest Recalc: http://steelrankings.com/ Using 2024 PST and only stages shot in the current or preview two calendar years are used for classification ranking i.e. ( 2024,2023,2022 ) 2023 Rankings is Frozen but still on the web page. Did I miss a logic correction? 2024 RFRO total numbers went down compared to 2023? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 In relative position, I stayed about the same in RFRO. End of 2023 I was #804 of 4552 (17.66%) Beginning of 2024, the same time would have me at #617 of 3366 (18.33%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, Hoops said: Did I miss a logic correction? 2024 RFRO total numbers went down compared to 2023? People who last shot a match in 2021 were lost. Plush anyone whose USPSA membership lapsed since the last run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 2024 Classification breakdown 2023 Classification breakdown for comparison to see the impact of the PST changes and expiration of the 2021 times. I'll add some analysis to compare and post the link to the file. EDIT: Link to 03 Jan 2024 file. https://app.box.com/s/gya54nmbfuo3owvnnti09fu5q4pbr9p2 Edited January 4 by GKB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Quick analysis of 2024..... 1. 8,554 people last shot a division in 2021 and are no longer eligible to be counted by STEEL RANKINGS (or a few are those whose USPSA membership expired in the last week). That dropped 30.7% of the shooters eligible in 2023. 2. The biggest percentage drop was LIMITED, which lost 40.3% of the number of shooters in 2024. (1,877 shooters eligible in 2023 became 1,121 in 2024. Difference of 756). 3. The biggest absolute drop was CARRY OPTICS, which has 1,291 fewer eligible shooters (29.7% drop). 4. RFRO lost the least by percentage, losing 26% (4,552 to 3,366). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 That’s a big drop in total numbers from 2023 to 2024. Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Hoops said: That’s a big drop in total numbers from 2023 to 2024. Wonder why? Some are people who shot a Division in 2021 and then moved to another. We would have to find the shooters (by USPSA ID) in the 2023 file but not in 2024 for each division and then see if they DO have a record in one of the 13 divisions in the 2024 file to determine if they quit SCSA or just moved divisions and didn't shoot that one again. (I'll have to be VERY bored to write the routine to determine that.) Edited January 4 by GKB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Visual of how the Classes are distributed by Division in 2024. Link to 03 Jan 2024 file. https://app.box.com/s/gya54nmbfuo3owvnnti09fu5q4pbr9p2. This is on the "Bar Chart" tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Comparison of the number of eligible shooters per Division in 2024 vs. 2023 sorted by most shooters. Order of popularity stayed the same except with CARRY OPTICS getting passed by RIMFIRE PISTOL OPTICS. Edited January 4 by GKB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I lost all my classifiers in SS, LTD, PCCO, and RFPO. The percentages are there, the scores are all expired. I see no point to doing that. What problem was this supposed to fix? I'm still clogging up the top-20 lists. I don't shoot that much steel challenge anymore, and when I do it's with whatever I'm shooting in USPSA that season, rather than division-hopping all the time. I'd guess a lot of shooters that aren't dedicated steel shooters are like this and will end up with just one or two 'current' classifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, GKB said: Comparison of the number of eligible shooters per Division in 2024 vs. 2023 sorted by most shooters. Order of popularity stayed the same except with CARRY OPTICS getting passed by RIMFIRE PISTOL OPTICS. Since a single member can shoot multiple divisions.........then shift to another division....it is difficult to assess why the large drop in the total numbers. -8,554 is a drop of 30.7%.....large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, Hoops said: Since a single member can shoot multiple divisions.........then shift to another division....it is difficult to assess why the large drop in the total numbers. -8,554 is a drop of 30.7%.....large. My guess is most people that aren't bringing a sack full of guns to a steel match are shooters that stick with one platform for at least a year since the 'how to get good' advice here is 'pick one and practice'. So someone like me that only switches up every year or two is going to have a lot of expired scores from whatever division(s) I was shooting 3+ years ago. I'm even slightly less motivated to grab the SS out of the back of the safe and go shoot a steel match for the fun of it now that it will wipe out any of my previous good scores from when I was shooting it actively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 At my local club I know of 2 shooters that moved from shooting SC to USPSA matches and one that died. In another 2 years, those three will drop off. You've got people that shot all 13 divisions to get in CLUB 13 and then never shot 12 of them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Keep in mind with "current+last 2 years", we are we are at the bottom of the cycle. Through the course of the year, we will add to the total number of shooters as new people join or shoot a division they never have. (My goal is to shoot all 13 this year, adding 1 a month, so I'll add 11 to the total by myself if I manage this.) And then in Jan 2025 we will throw out the 2022 numbers and it will drop again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 53 minutes ago, shred said: I lost all my classifiers in SS, LTD, PCCO, and RFPO. The percentages are there, the scores are all expired. I see no point to doing that. What problem was this supposed to fix? I'm still clogging up the top-20 lists. I see the TOP 20 as a "best ever" list. Just because you shot those scores more than 2 years ago doesn't make it not an accomplishment. If somebody wants you off the list, then enough people need to shoot better than you ever did to push you down-and-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, GKB said: Keep in mind with "current+last 2 years", we are we are at the bottom of the cycle. Through the course of the year, we will add to the total number of shooters as new people join or shoot a division they never have. (My goal is to shoot all 13 this year, adding 1 a month, so I'll add 11 to the total by myself if I manage this.) And then in Jan 2025 we will throw out the 2022 numbers and it will drop again. I'm having a mental block so bear with me. Dropping 2021 caused the lose of scores in some divisions but NOT their percentage. So the numbers shown is only for shooters who have scores and percentages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, GKB said: I see the TOP 20 as a "best ever" list. Just because you shot those scores more than 2 years ago doesn't make it not an accomplishment. If somebody wants you off the list, then enough people need to shoot better than you ever did to push you down-and-out. The Ranking List by @jrdoran is based on current percentage.....regardless of the loss of scores from 2021 dropping off. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Hoops said: Dropping 2021 caused the lose of scores in some divisions but NOT their percentage. So the numbers shown is only for shooters who have scores and percentages? Expired (pre-2022) scores are not considered. If those were your fastest for some stages, your overall Classification Percentage may drop (not your earned Classification, you always keep that). But you are still on the list. If all your stages expired (haven't shot the division since 2021), then you are off the list. The only other reason to drop off is expired USPSA membership. Which will happen as soon as it expires. (But renewal will bring you back on the list with all of your scores from the past 2 years considered.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Hoops said: The Ranking List by @jrdoran is based on current percentage.....regardless of the loss of scores from 2021 dropping off. Correct? Correct. STEEL RANKINGS only has active shooters (defined as having shot the division in 2022 or after and have an un-expired USPSA membership) and calculates the CURRENT PERCENTAGE based only on scores in that time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdoran Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GKB said: Correct. STEEL RANKINGS only has active shooters (defined as having shot the division in 2022 or after and have an un-expired USPSA membership) and calculates the CURRENT PERCENTAGE based only on scores in that time period. @GKB This is not accurate. I think Gary is thinking about the future 'topshot2024' ( not yet complete or released ); @Hoops Quote The Ranking List by @jrdoran is based on current percentage.....regardless of the loss of scores from 2021 dropping off. Correct? No, not correct; I try to keep it very simple so people don't get confused; I think this thread may have run its course as many micro questions confusing many different aspects ( all very good discussion ); I am very happy the data has become a platform for additional analysis done by members like @GKB The 2024 Rankings ( my bread and butter is super accurate , worldwide rankings of all classifications ) adheres to the exact specification from SCSA. 2024 peak times; and current - 2 prior years are incorporated in computing percentage; Expired USPSA membership is deleted and one must have 4+ stages; I deliberately made them 'orange' to help differentiate from the legacy 2023; ---> http://www.steelrankings.com Edited January 4 by jrdoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 @jrdoranEasy to get topic drift. perhaps @GKB excellent data crunching is best under starting a new topic for 2024? Or using the 2024 Peak Time topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadStrawBerryCounter Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 @jrdoran Once again thank you for all of your hard work on the rankings. Noticed for 2024 PST, PCC Optics, SC-106 (The Pendulum) still has 9.25. S/B 9.0 acording to SCSA calculator. You may also want to re-visit PCC Iron for 2024 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdoran Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, HeadStrawBerryCounter said: @jrdoran Once again thank you for all of your hard work on the rankings. Noticed for 2024 PST, PCC Optics, SC-106 (The Pendulum) still has 9.25. S/B 9.0 acording to SCSA calculator. You may also want to re-visit PCC Iron for 2024 as well. @HeadStrawBerryCounter Thank you for the attention to detail !!! Excellent. After looking, the good news is this was only a web site issue and not the values used within my code to compute rankings. I will update ASAP. Thanks again. FYI, here are the values used within the code to compute rankings, etc They look correct to me PST2024 = "STAGE,5 TO GO,SHOWDOWN,SMOKE & HOPE,OUTER LIMITS,ACCELERATOR,THE PENDULUM,SPEED OPTION,ROUNDABOUT,TOTAL"\ "\nDivision,SC-101,SC-102,SC-103,SC-104,SC-105,SC-106,SC-107,SC-108,TotalPST"\ "\nISR,13.5,12.0,10.5,15.75,13.0,14.25,14.0,11.0,104.0"\ "\nLTD,12.5,9.5,9.5,13.5,10.5,12.5,12.5,9.5,90.0"\ "\nOSR,12.25,10.5,10,14.25,12.75,13.5,12.75,10.5,96.5"\ "\nRFPI,10.5,9,8,13,9.25,11,11,8.25,80.0"\ "\nRFPO,8.75,7.5,7,11.5,8.5,9.5,10,7.5,70.25"\ "\nRFRO,9.5,7,7,10.75,8.5,9,9,7,67.75"\ "\nPROD,13,10,10,14,11.5,13,13,10,94.5"\ "\nRFRI,9.75,7.5,7.5,12,9,9.75,10,7.5,73.0"\ "\nOPN,11.25,9.5,8.5,12.5,10.5,11.25,11.5,8.5,83.50"\ "\nSS,13.25,10.5,10.25,14.75,11.75,13.5,13.5,10.5,98.0"\ "\nCO,12.5,9.75,10,13.75,11,12.75,13,9.75,92.50"\ "\nPCCO,9.5,7,7,11.25,8.75,9,9.5,7.5,69.50"\ "\nPCCI,10.75,8.5,7.75,12.25,9.5,10.5,11,8,78.25" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadStrawBerryCounter Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 @jrdoran Anytime, my pleasure. Took the liberty of going over all source values. You nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdoran Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 Latest 2024 match results processed and 2024 Rankings updated: -->. http://steelrankings.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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