RL1050 toolheads on a CP2000

[slavex]

Wondering if my RL1050 toolheads will work on a CP2000 if I get one for processing 9mm? Looking to setup case debris check, deprime, size, ream all on one machine and would need the CP2000 to do it, vs using two different toolheads now on the RL1050. 
I know the index pins are different lengths, but since I'm only worried about pistol brass I wouldn't think it should matter but wanted to double check. 

[dillon]

No, as the 1050 (and RL1100) toolheads have an additional alignment pin at the priming station.  The CP2000 toolheads lack this pin, as well as the primer seating depth rod.

 

[slavex]

On 5/23/2023 at 4:06 PM, dillon said:

No, as the 1050 (and RL1100) toolheads have an additional alignment pin at the priming station.  The CP2000 toolheads lack this pin, as well as the primer seating depth rod.

 

Thanks for the reply!

So the base of the machine does not have the holes machined in it for those pins? I had thought that upgrading a CP2000 to a priming machine was possible through the purchase of the extra parts. Maybe purchasing an 1100 is a better option then or does it not offer the ability to swage on both sides? The same question regarding toolheads would apply to that option though. 

 

edited to add, 

Just went through the user manuals and I see I wildly mixed up. I thought the CP2000 and the 1100 were the same base machine, just with a few different parts. 

I guess since the 2000 comes with a toolhead it's not an issue to swap all my dies and stuff over and just sell my Super and RL 1050s and toolheads. 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by slavex

[mmc45414]

I considered this, and it just seems like the cost delta is not enough to not just get an 1100. 

Consider that (I believe) it comes with a powder measure that the CP does not (could be sold). 

[slavex]

On 5/24/2023 at 7:05 PM, mmc45414 said:

I considered this, and it just seems like the cost delta is not enough to not just get an 1100. 

Consider that (I believe) it comes with a powder measure that the CP does not (could be sold). 

the big thing for me is the ability to swage on the left side of the press (well ream actually). Otherwise there is no benefit to changing from my RL1050 at all. But it seems strange that the 1100 and the 2000 don't share that ability. 

 

[mmc45414]

Turns out I don't know what I thought I did about the CP

I will just sit here quietly for a while and try and learn... 

[ezra650]

On 5/26/2023 at 2:27 AM, slavex said:

the big thing for me is the ability to swage on the left side of the press (well ream actually). Otherwise there is no benefit to changing from my RL1050 at all. But it seems strange that the 1100 and the 2000 don't share that ability. 

 

I also strongly suggested this to Dillon. It's a no brainer to use the same CP2000 frame, but with the priming cuts. I really wish as a company they were more innovative. 

 

 

About the toolheads. You can absolutely use an 1100/1050 head on a cp2000. You will simply need to unscrew the primer depth bolt/pin and press/hammer out the primer alignment toolhead pin. The best way to remove the pressed pin is to strip the toolhead (yes even the triangle case feed cam, its sharp) and lay the toolhead straddling 2 blocks of wood. Beat the pin out with a 3lb mini sledge. 

 

You'd think it would damage the pin, it doesn't. I did it with nothing to protect the pin. Probably best to use a leather glove or a 3lb deadblow if you have it. 

 

I've done this to several toolheads to make them into brass prep heads for the CP. 

 

Remember that the CP2000 doesn't come with 2 sets of swage assemblies. If you want to run dual swage you will need to build out an entire 2nd swage sub assembly.

[slavex]

4 hours ago, ezra650 said:

I also strongly suggested this to Dillon. It's a no brainer to use the same CP2000 frame, but with the priming cuts. I really wish as a company they were more innovative. 

 

 

About the toolheads. You can absolutely use an 1100/1050 head on a cp2000. You will simply need to unscrew the primer depth bolt/pin and press/hammer out the primer alignment toolhead pin. The best way to remove the pressed pin is to strip the toolhead (yes even the triangle case feed cam, its sharp) and lay the toolhead straddling 2 blocks of wood. Beat the pin out with a 3lb mini sledge. 

 

You'd think it would damage the pin, it doesn't. I did it with nothing to protect the pin. Probably best to use a leather glove or a 3lb deadblow if you have it. 

 

I've done this to several toolheads to make them into brass prep heads for the CP. 

 

Remember that the CP2000 doesn't come with 2 sets of swage assemblies. If you want to run dual swage you will need to build out an entire 2nd swage sub assembly.

great info thank you! I don't intend to swage at all, but ream with Vince's reamer that I currently use on the RL1050 (will need some parts from him to make the transition I guess). 
I have access to a hydraulic press, so hammering isn't necessary lol. But really, I won't need multiple toolheads for the CP as I'll be able to one pass process with the reamer on the other side, Station 2 (normally decapping) debris sense, 3 decap (normally swage), 4 another sensor for checking for stepped cases, 5 sizing maybe, 6 empty, 7 ream, 8 empty. I need the spare toolhead right now so I can run the debris sense die and case check die on their own, before risking decap pins on unknown brass (I do this for other people's brass). But that adds another step, and time, to the whole process. I occasionally will do the debris check on the Revo, but hate swapping toolheads on it just for that. That's my loading machine. 

[MJC082581]

9 hours ago, slavex said:

great info thank you! I don't intend to swage at all, but ream with Vince's reamer that I currently use on the RL1050 (will need some parts from him to make the transition I guess). 
I have access to a hydraulic press, so hammering isn't necessary lol. But really, I won't need multiple toolheads for the CP as I'll be able to one pass process with the reamer on the other side, Station 2 (normally decapping) debris sense, 3 decap (normally swage), 4 another sensor for checking for stepped cases, 5 sizing maybe, 6 empty, 7 ream, 8 empty. I need the spare toolhead right now so I can run the debris sense die and case check die on their own, before risking decap pins on unknown brass (I do this for other people's brass). But that adds another step, and time, to the whole process. I occasionally will do the debris check on the Revo, but hate swapping toolheads on it just for that. That's my loading machine. 

FYI, I was one of the testers for the reamer. On the CP, to run it in the 2nd swage station, I had to modify the case feeder supports and output bin bracket due to the sensor housing not clearing in there. I’ve since reverted back to doing it in the first station so I can’t take pics 

[slavex]

On 6/4/2023 at 7:20 AM, MJC082581 said:

FYI, I was one of the testers for the reamer. On the CP, to run it in the 2nd swage station, I had to modify the case feeder supports and output bin bracket due to the sensor housing not clearing in there. I’ve since reverted back to doing it in the first station so I can’t take pics 

good to know. I know Vince is running his on the 2nd swage station, so it's doable, maybe he's updated the housing since you did the testing?

[ezra650]

On 6/4/2023 at 1:04 AM, slavex said:

great info thank you! I don't intend to swage at all, but ream with Vince's reamer that I currently use on the RL1050 (will need some parts from him to make the transition I guess). 
I have access to a hydraulic press, so hammering isn't necessary lol. But really, I won't need multiple toolheads for the CP as I'll be able to one pass process with the reamer on the other side, Station 2 (normally decapping) debris sense, 3 decap (normally swage), 4 another sensor for checking for stepped cases, 5 sizing maybe, 6 empty, 7 ream, 8 empty. I need the spare toolhead right now so I can run the debris sense die and case check die on their own, before risking decap pins on unknown brass (I do this for other people's brass). But that adds another step, and time, to the whole process. I occasionally will do the debris check on the Revo, but hate swapping toolheads on it just for that. That's my loading machine. 

What brand sensors are you using for the debris check and stepped case? The debris check especially interests me. The #1 break down on my cp/mk7 brass press is from debris inside casings. 

[slavex]

22 hours ago, ezra650 said:

What brand sensors are you using for the debris check and stepped case? The debris check especially interests me. The #1 break down on my cp/mk7 brass press is from debris inside casings. 

I have an Immortobot die for checking for stepped cases and a custom made die for debris check. I took a spring loaded FW arms decapping die and drilled a hole in the top, extended the shaft and mounted a micro switch on top that is activated if the rod pushes up. I use a broken decapping pin that reaches right to the bottom of a case for debris checking. But I think the Immortobot die will end up doing that well enough too. 

 

[ezra650]

On 6/15/2023 at 6:02 PM, slavex said:

I have an Immortobot die for checking for stepped cases and a custom made die for debris check. I took a spring loaded FW arms decapping die and drilled a hole in the top, extended the shaft and mounted a micro switch on top that is activated if the rod pushes up. I use a broken decapping pin that reaches right to the bottom of a case for debris checking. But I think the Immortobot die will end up doing that well enough too. 

 

I forgot about that judge die. I should set one up for my 9mm processing. Moving the decap to die station 2. What funnel are you using to catch spent primers? The 2 mounting bolts would make it easy enough to mount a 3d printed designed or otherwise for sure. Just curious what you had planned as I may set my CP up in the same configuration.

 

I like the modded FW die. I bet that works well when running 223 since the Judge die is only for pistol cases. 22lr stuck on 223 necks is a major pin killer. 

[slavex]

On 6/20/2023 at 5:34 AM, ezra650 said:

I forgot about that judge die. I should set one up for my 9mm processing. Moving the decap to die station 2. What funnel are you using to catch spent primers? The 2 mounting bolts would make it easy enough to mount a 3d printed designed or otherwise for sure. Just curious what you had planned as I may set my CP up in the same configuration.

 

I like the modded FW die. I bet that works well when running 223 since the Judge die is only for pistol cases. 22lr stuck on 223 necks is a major pin killer. 

I only do 9mm no 223. 

A buddy said he'd make me a funnel for primers, if I get the machine, which is still up in the air right now.