scroadkill Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 this has happened twice now during a match.. mid stage, eject 1st mag, and while loading next mag the first round pops out in the mag well and prevents seating of mag.. I'm using 9mm tubes, stock followers, czc 141 base pads, stock springs, and downloaded to 20 rounds. At this point I have no idea whats causing this.. any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouperMan Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Does this happen consistently on the same mag, or on all mags? I had some issues with feeding issues with my 140mm, but I use Grams Spring and follower. Also, silly question but what kind of a mag holster are you using? Could it be possible that the way you grab your mag it nudges a round ever so slightly and loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroadkill Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouperMan said: Does this happen consistently on the same mag, or on all mags? I had some issues with feeding issues with my 140mm, but I use Grams Spring and follower. Also, silly question but what kind of a mag holster are you using? Could it be possible that the way you grab your mag it nudges a round ever so slightly and loose? not sure on mag.. its happened twice 2 months apart.. using DAA race masters pouches.. plastic kind. I had similar issue with rounds getting stuck in mag tube when loading to capacity leaving first few rounds loose.. now I download mags #2,#3 etc a few rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouperMan Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 not sure on mag.. its happened twice 2 months apart.. using DAA race masters pouches.. plastic kind. I had similar issue with rounds getting stuck in mag tube when loading to capacity leaving first few rounds loose.. now I download mags #2,#3 etc a few rounds It might be the spring is binding and the follower is causing a weird angle to push the rounds up in the tube. Most folks that I shoot with replace the follower and spring, which is where I got my setup. If I recall correctly, the Grams spring is “weaker” for a reason, and the follower doesn’t take up a bunch of space when the mag is fully loaded and catch on the spring as it’s rounds are exiting the mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroadkill Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 there is a mod ive read to bevel the inside of the bottom of the mag tube to help the spring and follower move freely when using the extended base pads.. gonna try that. I had done this mod to my 40 tubes but hadn't done it for my 9mms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The stock springs and followers were not designed to work with extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert.a.brewer. Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The stock springs and followers were not designed to work with extensions. ^ this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Could be that the ammo is too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroadkill Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, muncie21 said: Could be that the ammo is too long. yep.. possible. I picked up a daa case gauge and checking all match rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 hours ago, 858 said: The stock springs and followers were not designed to work with extensions. I’ve used the stock springs/followers on 8 different mags with the CZC extension and have had zero issues with any of them over the last two years. Mine are 9mm and can get 23 loaded in each mag with zero seating issues on a full mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroadkill Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, mveto said: I’ve used the stock springs/followers on 8 different mags with the CZC extension and have had zero issues with any of them over the last two years. Mine are 9mm and can get 23 loaded in each mag with zero seating issues on a full mag. ditto.. I normally run 22 in my starter mag and the rest downloaded to 20 rounds unless the stage calls for something a bit extra. figure 20 matches with 2 failures .. I'm trying the bevel mod now and case gauging every round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 15 hours ago, mveto said: I’ve used the stock springs/followers on 8 different mags with the CZC extension and have had zero issues with any of them over the last two years. Mine are 9mm and can get 23 loaded in each mag with zero seating issues on a full mag. Let me rephrase, the stock springs and followers were not designed to work with extensions. The OP's TSO didn't fail. FWIW I get 25 rounds in TS mags with Springer extensions and Grams kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 3:07 PM, scroadkill said: yep.. possible. I picked up a daa case gauge and checking all match rounds. Easy enough to check without a gauge or tools. Just remove the barrel and drop a round in it. the round should spin freely and drop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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