dcloudy777 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Looks like the efforts of RedMist, et al have paid off... both revolver divisions are back to 6 shots. Now there's no reason for someone to blow his/her hand off trying to make 165 power factor with a 9mm. And the little clip-type moonclip holders like the Cali Comp Works ones are legal... wierd, they look way "gamier" than the Blade-Tech doubles, but hey, small price to pay. Looks like revolver may not be dead in IDPA after all. DanO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 And the little clip-type moonclip holders like the Cali Comp Works ones are legal... DanO You had better read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yeah, I know it doesn't really read like they're legal, but that sure does look an awful lot like one on the "Legal" picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Try this: Legal by descriptionand picture: Not legal by description and picture: I am all done with IDPA discussion. Thanks, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 But Gary, things are just getting good!!! Seriously, I know what you mean, I did the same thing last week, walked away from it just starting back up now that there's better news. I see what you mean about the moonclip holder now, It's hard to tell if the stud in the center goes through the clip or not... looks easy enough to modify even if it doesn't. At least everyone gets the same number of shots now. DanO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Try this:Legal by descriptionand picture: Not legal by description and picture: I am all done with IDPA discussion. Thanks, Gary Why do you feel the lower pictured one isn't legal. I believe the requirement you may be referencing is "D". If thats the case my holders do cover 100% of the cartridge height. What am I missing? Moon clip carrier must: A. Be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all day continuous wear. B. Be worn on a standard belt of no more than 1 ¾” width that must pass through the belt loops on the shooter’s pants. C. Hold the moon clip with enough tension to allow it to be turned upside down and retain it while fully loaded. D. Either be of open top configuration that covers at least 60% of the diameter and100% of the cartridge height and retains the moon clip by tension and a stud that protrudes through the center of the clip, or retain the moon clip with a snap or Velcro closure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadShot Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Gary, What brand is the top moon clip holder that you show? Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Gary,What brand is the top moon clip holder that you show? Skip They are same brand I think, but the post is for 7 and 8 shot moon clips. The nylon center piece that does not extend through the clip is for 6 shot. Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 and a stud that protrudes through the center of the clip, or retain the moon clip with a snap or Velcro closure. Read again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Because Joyce is listed as being on here, I will add that this could have been fixed with the change of one word. D. Either be of open top configuration that covers at least 60% of the diameter and100% of the cartridge height and retains the moon clip by tension and (Change and to or ) a stud that protrudes through the center of the clip Regards, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 R_G_S Just trim the fins alittle and you're good to go. A loaded clip will drop all the way to the bottom. With a 625 you will get the center post to protrude about 1/4". The spring steel will hold the clip if turned upside down, if not just bend it to put more tension on it. Am I still missing something? BTW I still think 7 & 8 shot revolvers would be perfect in ESR just leave all the 6 shot revolvers in SSR. The difference between speedloaders and moonclips isn't a big deal. Moonclips are just more forgiving in a bad reload. restricting a 7 or 8 shot revolver to 6 shots effectively says don't use a 7 or 8 shot revolver, so what's the purpose. edit: Rule simplification would be.... rentiontion by any method! Retention is retension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Looks like the efforts of RedMist, et al have paid off... both revolver divisions are back to 6 shots. Now there's no reason for someone to blow his/her hand off trying to make 165 power factor with a 9mm. And the little clip-type moonclip holders like the Cali Comp Works ones are legal... wierd, they look way "gamier" than the Blade-Tech doubles, but hey, small price to pay. Looks like revolver may not be dead in IDPA after all. DanO Don't thank me....thank Bill Wilson and the BoD! Thanks to the efforts of Bill, Joyce, and the countless others behind the scenes that have patiently listened to our comments, complaints, and consternations; I truly believe that the irregularities and imbalances of the SSR and ESR division(s) have been fixed to a satisfactory and very usable degree. True to my word, I will continue my “crusade” to raise the SSR and ESR divisions to record setting levels! Understandably, there will still be some mulling over of the fine points concerning equipment, etc. but all things considered we have a workable rulebook concerning these two divisions. TONS better than original and much better than the first draft of revisions. Thanks Bill and Joyce, etc. for your efforts . I have signed up for the Maryland and Indiana State Matches in ESR…now to get classified! Bring your wheelgun and join in the fun! Reminder: 2005 National Championship - we're going to try to get at least two "all-revolver" squads. Stay tuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 BTW I still think 7 & 8 shot revolvers would be perfect in ESR just leave all the 6 shot revolvers in SSR. The difference between speedloaders and moonclips isn't a big deal. Moonclips are just more forgiving in a bad reload. restricting a 7 or 8 shot revolver to 6 shots effectively says don't use a 7 or 8 shot revolver, so what's the purpose. Couldn't agree more but that horse is out of the barn, down the road, and into the next county. Let's make it work as SSR and ESR. If nothing else we have more opportunities to shoot revolver. It's taken me a few weeks but I'm beginning to like the split. If you don't shoot a bunch and have a 7 and 8 shot revolver you can still play with the rest of us - that is the purpose. Inclusion with equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundgunner Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the new book is done right. I was real upset when the first (draft ) came out with the wrong weight limits on ESR guns. The 6-7-8 round difference in ESR was a new problem I could get used to until I could save enough pennies to buy one. I have only looked at the problems that affected me but they all seem to be corrected. As the owner of a small business I know how it is to make a decision without putting every effort into it. Sometimes you are doing 4-5 major things and skim read/think thru a new change, do what you think is right and it bites you real hard. Oops. We don’t know what all was going on in his business or personal life and I for one will be happy with the effort put forth to fix this mistake that 12,000 of us have had time to dissect and criticize. If and probably when one of them makes another mistake I will not hesitate to let them know, just like my customers do for me. Thank you Bill & Joyce and if you come to Smith & Wesson Winter Championships I will be the guy smiling like the cat who ate the canary. Warren A Baker Former local IDPA chairman, State championships MD, RO, SO, and happy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 This is an excellent rule book. I like it a lot. Most of the things that needed clarified have been taken care of. Maybe everything. I haven't fully read every word yet, but I like it. Thanks to Bill, Joyce, Dru and everybody involved. I just looked at my CCW moon clip carriers. I believe they are legal. A few strokes with a file on the fins will make the moon clip sit low enough if they stick up a little. I'm really happy about 6 shots in ESR. I already have a 167 power factor load for my 686x6 .38 super. I will tweak it a little in the coming weeks to give me 170. Did I mention that I like this new rule book? Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Well lets say I can live with it, so my response isn't quite as enthusiastic as the others before me. What's done is done so there isn't any need to re-hash it. I tried to stay off the "hate-the-new-rules-bandwagon as much as possible. My IDPA resignation letter goes in the file cabnet for now. I too haven't read all the new rules but soon will. Still I'm concerned with dividing an already thin rank of revolver shooters. And for those who excelled in SSR last year....well you'll have the memories. Time for everyone to pony up to a calssifier and move on. Perhaps the lessons learned will prove valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 My IDPA resignation letter goes in the file cabnet for now. I'm still going to try to get you on the "all-revolver" squads at this year's IDPA Nationals. If I can suck it up, well, misery loves company buddy. We can form a band of PiSSR's - Previously Stock Service Revolver shooter's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 My IDPA resignation letter goes in the file cabnet for now. I'm still going to try to get you on the "all-revolver" squads at this year's IDPA Nationals. If I can suck it up, well, misery loves company buddy. We can form a band of PiSSR's - Previously Stock Service Revolver shooter's "PiSSR's - Previously Stock Service Revolver shooter's " too funny Hell the RIMZ team always tries to get an all revo squad ...just not enough of em and now it will be fewer. let's see if ESR/SSR grows or wilts. BTW I'm game...now if I can just keep that file cabnet closed........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Gonsalves Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I'm really happy about 6 shots in ESR. I already have a 167 power factor load for my 686x6 .38 super. I will tweak it a little in the coming weeks to give me 170. Hi Bill, Could you Please share the load info with me? I have the same gun. Thanks, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firewalker Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 From the first version to where the rules are now released, I am very pleased with the changes. SO what will be the game to chase at nationals? Power up reclassify and chase ESR at nationals? or learn to shoot my new SSR speed loader gun? My final question is if i reclassify in ESR and shoot SSR will i need a new SSR classification? and if i do, does that mean i stay as last classified or is it possible now to move back in classification? Frederick Haring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firewalker Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 We can form a band of PiSSR's - Previously Stock Service Revolver shooter's :lol What he says. I love it Frederick Haring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoepop Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Maybe we can do it like AA. Before every match we can each stand up and say my name is XXX XXXX and I'm a PiSSR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 My final question is if i reclassify in ESR and shoot SSR will i need a new SSR classification? and if i do, does that mean i stay as last classified or is it possible now to move back in classification? Frederick Haring Unless the new rules permit a fall backwards in class your last SSR class is your new SSR classification but with speedloaders. You won't go backwards but I think they should have made all SSR and ESR shooters reclassify just the same. Realistically, if you can make a class in SSR with a moon gun you can do the same with speedloaders but it might take you one or two tries to get proficient. There is really no difference once you practice the one you plan to use - speedloader or moonclip - besides the missed reload disaster that is possible with speedloaders. You'll do fine Personally, I'm not shooting SSR until I complete my goals that I started two years ago as a SSR-MM. The only difference is that I will be doing it in ESR now since I started with the moon gun. Hope to see you at the 2005 National Championship on one of the all-revolver squads! PiSSR - 01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 From the first version to where the rules are now released, I am very pleased with the changes. SO what will be the game to chase at nationals? Power up reclassify and chase ESR at nationals? or learn to shoot my new SSR speed loader gun?My final question is if i reclassify in ESR and shoot SSR will i need a new SSR classification? and if i do, does that mean i stay as last classified or is it possible now to move back in classification? Frederick Haring My guess is many SSR shooters will have to requalify because it's for speedloaders only. Obviously all the ESR shooters will have to shoot a classifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firewalker Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 rwmagnus, If they let me again, I will work as SO at the nationals. I worked the 2 car stage with Ted and Melissa off this forum. If not i would join a all revolver squad. I shot and worked with both them most of the week. Good folks maybe i need Ted to teach me speed loaders Frederick Haring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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