knedrgr Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Here's my new P-09 with a fresh CGW Short Reset Trigger kit and larger roller bushing installed. Gun is a virgin and haven't been to the range yet. Average 10 pulls from SA. This is the worked over CGW kit by Asian Custom Shop. Average 10 pulls from SA Average 10 pulls from DA. Totally forgot to get the stock CGW DA pulls. Sorry. Will be running this set up for USPSA Production class, this weekend. :-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Wait...what in the heck is the asian custom shop? lol. Am i missing something here? Any details on what hammer springs you have in both and whether or not the hammer hooks were tuned on the second pistol? Im assuming they were since the SA is a pound lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Wait...what in the heck is the asian custom shop? lol. We have ramen and fortune cookies with us when we take classes. LOL Edited July 16, 2014 by Quack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 LOL. ACS is an on going joke between Quack and myself. It's one of the same gun. The 3# pull avg is from the stock gun with the CGW short reset trigger kit installed. And it has the 15# CGW hammer spring that had came with the kit. I was going to run the 13# HS (blue color) but David at CGW is only recommending it with Federal primer. And ATM, I don't have any Fed primers, nor is my bench set up, yet. While the second picture shows the CGW kit, stock hammer, and stock sear polished up. And you can see it's brought down the SA weight by a pound. Didn't get the base line on DA CGW kit before polishing. There's more to be polish, since this was just a quick session to see how much I can drop the SA weight. Gonna try again to get a mirror finish on those affected parts and get the weight closer to 2.0# for SA and maybe 6.0# for DA. As of now, the stock hammer' hook has only been polished. Might cut it down slightly, since it's pretty long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 To keep on CZ topic. Here's an ACS 75B SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) You guys cant have inside jokes!! Its not fair!!!!! WAAAHHH Thanks for the clarification lol. Keep us updated on your progress. The one thing im not in love with on my P09 is the creepy SA due to the overly long SA hammer hooks. Im not sure i could reliably cut them down as i dont have fixture jigs and id hate to cut through any kind of surface hardening on the hammer. Im surprised that polishing took off 16 ounces of pull weight. That's pretty darned impressive.l As an aside. Ive run 2105 rounds through my P09 with the 13 lb blue hammer spring without an issue and 98% of those rounds had cci primers. Edited July 16, 2014 by Magsz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Of course Dave also offers a hammer for the p 09/07. I have one in my 07, along with his other parts, and it dramatically improves the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yes, but its not legal for USPSA Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It does but it is not production legal so for me, those hammers are worthless. CZ custom, where is our "production legal" cheater hammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) It does but it is not production legal so for me, those hammers are worthless. CZ custom, where is our "production legal" cheater hammer? The future holds much, only in the moment is the truth. (*coming) also getting some really sick trigger jobs on the P07/P09 guns now with the factory parts. Edited July 16, 2014 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 True that, missed the last sentence of your post. Our comp CZs are shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeky Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Magsz, If CZ Custom offers a new hammer, it will not automatically be production legal. CZ-USA will have to sell 2,000 P-09's with a custom/after market hammer installed before it can be declared a production part. So it is ultimately up to CZ-USA to decide. I know there have been several P-09's submitted to CZ-USA by various gunsmiths for testing and evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Magsz, If CZ Custom offers a new hammer, it will not automatically be production legal. CZ-USA will have to sell 2,000 P-09's with a custom/after market hammer installed before it can be declared a production part. So it is ultimately up to CZ-USA to decide. I know there have been several P-09's submitted to CZ-USA by various gunsmiths for testing and evaluation. Im pretty sure CZ custom has the ear of whoever is in charge. I am fairly certain they will shuffle along the paperwork, BS whoever needs BSing and grease whoevers palm needs greasing in order to get "2k" units made. Yay space race in Production... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 So, final polishing tonight. Trigger bar Trigger bar spring Sear Hammer hook shortened to 0.024" Hammer hook's top surface CGW disconnector CGW safety plunger arm CGW oversize bushing And I'm pretty happy with the outcome. Average 10 pulls from DA hammer decocker: 6lbs 1oz Average 10 pulls from SA: 2lbs 7oz. So basically a 2.5 lbs trigger pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Did you happen to measure the amount of reduction you achieved with the short reset trigger kit? I'm very interested in that to compare to stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 ^ no I didn't get a chance. Can throw the stock parts back in and give it a world. However, it's pretty much a drastic improvement over stock distance. From CGW's site, on the 92030 kit: The disconnector in this reset kit reduces 80 - 90% of the SA pre-travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthpawG26 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Knedrgr, Just wondering if these results include a CGW reduced trigger return spring. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 That's very impressive with a 15lb hammer spring. Any possible tutorial on how you reduced/cut the hammer hooks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Knedrgr, Just wondering if these results include a CGW reduced trigger return spring. Thanks. No it doesn't. Only springs that was included in my kit were: 15# hammer spring Lighter safety plunger spring New firing pin spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 That's very impressive with a 15lb hammer spring. Any possible tutorial on how you reduced/cut the hammer hooks? Flat stone, feeler gauge, and patient. LOL Set the hammer upside down on the stone. Use a flat object to place under the hammer spur. And slowly pull the whole thing backward on the stone. Slowly so to evenly take off material on the hammer hook. Measure with feeler gauge for desired depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Pretty straight forward. Cool beans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeky Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 knedrgr, Great job, I love it when folks prove the potential we have seen in these new CZ's. We have observed variations on the reset (manufacturing tolerances) as well as the disconnectors influence on the SA pre-travel, but we have measured many P-09's that have a 2.0 - 2.5mm SA reset (when using a SA over-travel equipped trigger). All our P series internal parts are polished using a proprietary method so they are super slick out of the package. We also had our own springs made just for the P-09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 ^ thank you. Can't wait to try out your stuff this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 David, We need flat wire recoil springs or springs with the coils configured where they wont bind in the slide opening! Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthpawG26 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Knedrgr, Just wondering if these results include a CGW reduced trigger return spring. Thanks. No it doesn't. Only springs that was included in my kit were: 15# hammer spring Lighter safety plunger spring New firing pin spring Ah, so you still have a half pound reduction of DA on the table, quick and easy.... Edited July 17, 2014 by SouthpawG26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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