tires2burn Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I had some Bullseye left over from my first attempt at loading and decided to use it up. I'm loading 45ACP and since the Bullseye I have been using Titegroup. With the TG I loaded Rainier 230 RN 4.6gr and 1.250 OAL. Works great . I loaded the Bullseye according to the data sheet with 5.5 with 5.7 being the max and AOL at 1.265. It sounded like a cannon going off and bellowed a fireball out the barrel. I'm shooting a 3" SA GI micro. I went through about 30 rounds and figured that I was used to the lighter loads that's why the Bullseye seemed so overloaded. The first round really freaked me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBertolet Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 5.0 gr of Bullseye will equal the factory hardball ballistics. You are beating your gun to death with that load of 5.5 gr. 4.3 gr will make IPSC major easily. I don't have my loading manuals handy, but the 5.5 gr seems like an overload. The 5.0 gr range is considered maximum in most data. The 5.5 gr load would be +P+. I would certainly back off before something bad happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I"m not going to shoot anymore of these rounds. I just went to the Aliant data page and copied this. 45 Auto 230 gr Speer TJM RN Speer 1.26 4.4 CCI 300 Bullseye 5.7 840 Check it out. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I also checked my Lee manual and it gives the same data as Alliant. To hot for me. The rounds I loaded are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBertolet Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) I don't believe Lee develops their own data. I think they just copied it with permission from Alliant. Often, data listed in powder manufactures load selections, is missing critical information. They sometimes don't list pressure, under what conditions their figures are achieved, and what test firearm is used. Often it is a universal test receiver. Real world firearms occasionally act differently than these test guns. Various tolerences in chambering and bore sizes are also major players in this area. The purchase of a chronograph might be a good inverstment for you. An inexpensive one can be purchased for under $100. This will give you an idea of where you are at ballisticly during your load development. In first starting out reloading, I had a similar experience with a different powder in the .357 magnum. The ballistics listed in the manual I used, seemed very impressive, so I had to try the load out. The result was, I had to pound the cases out of the cylinder, while using a listed "safe" load. No harm done, but it was a quick lesson. This, and your experience, just reinforces the old addage, "start low and work up your load, while watching for signs of high pressure, and other abnormalties". Edited October 30, 2013 by GBertolet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I have always loaded about right in the middle but this time was a little over the middle. Thanks for the support and I will stick with my TG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer377 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Rainier suggests using lead data for their bullets. 5.5gr of Bullseye is crazy hot for that. For reference, 4.8gr pushing 230gr Bayou gives me 809 fps out of a 5" 1911. 5.5gr would be somewhere north of 200PF. If you know what you're doing with BE, it's actually a very good powder. A little dirty, but consistent, not horribly temp sensitive, very accurate and CHEAP. Edited October 31, 2013 by Racer377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrwdd Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I"m not going to shoot anymore of these rounds. I just went to the Aliant data page and copied this.45 Auto 230 gr Speer TJM RN Speer 1.26 4.4 CCI 300 Bullseye 5.7 840Check it out. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Aliant only publishes MAXIMUM loads in their data and they assume you will reduce the load and work up. For fast powders like BE I would suggest a 15% reduction. As stated above 5.0gr with a 230gr FMJ will give full hardball performance. No need to push higher than than that in your type of handgun. Hope this helps Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tires2burn Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 I"m not going to shoot anymore of these rounds. I just went to the Aliant data page and copied this.45 Auto 230 gr Speer TJM RN Speer 1.26 4.4 CCI 300 Bullseye 5.7 840Check it out. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Aliant only publishes MAXIMUM loads in their data and they assume you will reduce the load and work up. For fast powders like BE I would suggest a 15% reduction. As stated above 5.0gr with a 230gr FMJ will give full hardball performance. No need to push higher than than that in your type of handgun. Hope this helps Bill Thanks everybody, I appreciate the knowledge. I pulled the bullets and reloaded to 4.6 at 1.250 OAL. Thank god I only had a couple dozen or so. This should be more normal for my type of shooting. I guess you live and learn. Alliant should give you a spread on loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 The bulleyes, bulleyes crowd that I know. You know the guys who shoot one handed at a circle target and make me feel foolish cause their groups are smaller than mine shooting two handed! tend to use 4.0 grains or less with a 200 grain SWC lead. that load seems pretty soft and very accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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