Harmon Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 seems like i have shot both of them,(mainly in shotguns) and the loads are almost identical and produce identical results. is this a result of winchester selling WSL to hodgdon? lets see whats the same HP38 and 231 296 and H110 540 and HS6 HS7 and 571 seems like TG is a little more blasty than super lite in pistols, skeet load tell no difference. whatchoo think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 I've shot over 6 lbs of TG, probably 25 lbs of WSL. They look the same, weigh the same for equal volume, smell the same, and shoot to the exact same velocity with an equal charge. They're made in the same factory. However, the label on the can is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 "Same powder, different name" looks like a great topic to pin at the top of the reloading section! I read here on the forum that Universal and the new formula of Unique had something in common; was it Jeff Maass that suggested the comparrison? I do not recall. I brought the idea up on glocktalk in '03 & was branded a heretic! Isn't there a Ramshot powder that was formerly sold by Winchester? This could be a very useful FAQ. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 HERESY! Be careful with this topic Some people get really testy, well, they did at Glocktalk anyway After calling Western Powder Co, they confirmed that Ramshot Silhouette is WAP(win action pistol). I also have concluded the Titegroup appears identical in my testing, chronoing, accuracy, etc. as my beloved SuperLite. I have been told that it has an additive to it, so it is not the "same" as Superlite, but sure seems damn close to me. I dont care what they call it, I like it. Seems like all I load anymore is CLAYS and Titegroup. 8lbers go a long way......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted July 4, 2004 Author Share Posted July 4, 2004 yes, i now know i can get WAP again, i have been shootin it in my 9mms and it shoots great, a smite dirty, but still shoots good. i plan on building a dedicated 9mm steel comp gun, WAP works great in them. WSL and TG may not be te same, but they are interchangeable. i just believe they added a flash suppressant. both powders seem "blasty" in 9mm and 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Aha! Flash suppressant, that is what I was told as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Sweet. When WSL got discontinued a couple of years ago I went out and bought 32 lbs of the stuff. Good to know that when I finally run out that there is a close substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 No, it's not. In a discussion with Mike Daley at Hodgdon, he told me that Titegroup was developed exclusively for Hodgdon. And this is the same guy who told me that HP38 and W231 are the same powder in different cans, so obviously he's not afraid to admit it if a Hodgdon powder is identical to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 good shotgun powder nonetheless...i didnt like it in pistols but works well for skeet loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 After finding this forum, I switched to Titegroup in my .45. So, many of you say that it is "blasty" (can't disagree). I would really love to know which powder everyone thinks is the least "blasty", because it would really help my shooting. I'm not trying to hi-jack your thread, but I've got to know. And I agree, TG and WSL have got to be the same powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 When I shot .45, straight Clays was great; if you shoot 200 grn TMJ/jacketed, you may need to exceed Hodgdon's book load to make major. If you are not comfortable with that, you might try VV N310 or even N320, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 straight clays, winchester super target... i use 3.8 clays and a 230lead and in texas it makes 179pf. jacketed 230s require 4.0 in my gun they make 170 pf... for the 200s, especially the jackted bullets, you might have to cook the books a little to make major.. no big deal its not the extra pressure that batters your 45 with +p ammo, its the extra slide velocity... 4.5 and a lead 200 swc make major with clays....i havent really fooled around with WST too much..i do know it has a softer report than clays recoil is softer too BTW either of these two is much cleaner than TG...but not that TG is a bad 45 powder....it just gets used for shotshells at my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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