DAA 3 in 1 C-more Mount Review

[Whoops!]

Hi all, just got a DAA 3 in 1 mount for my Infinity open gun and thought a review would be nice since not many people have one. First, it's stiff enough to work well even though it's only one-sided. That was my main goal with this mount as the old Strayer Voigt mount with carbon fiber side look was just too flexible, even though it was two-sided.

Next, the *thumb rest [generic]* is implemented into the mount along with a table stand, those are very nice touches for approximately the same price of any other mount. Here's where things start to go awry. The stand is cool at first. It uses a simple ball detent on a spring underneath the stand to lock it in two different positions - against the mount or fully extended. After approximately 50 shots, the ball detent got stuck in the spring cavity and would not come out. I detached the mount and banged it against a table and the detent would not come out. I took a Dremel tool to the spring detent hole and drilled away at the sides and it would not come out.

Finally, I gave up and glued the stand on the mount in the open position. It's fine in that position and more solid feeling than before anyway. On the plus side, the stand ia positioned perfectly for table starts. It's an excellent length and REALLY props the grip up high for an easy grab every time.

With regard to the thumb rest, it's excellent. Good positioning and adjustability. It's wide enough where you can use it as a wall brace in Bianchi if you're into that sort of thing. Some people disagree with their effectiveness, but there are many different ways to use them and if you want to, this one will serve you well. Also, hey, the World Shoot was won with one

However, no matter how you position it, the thumb rest has to be removed every time you want to remove the slide stop and disassemble the gun.

If you like blast shields, you will like this one. However, I took it off and it was easy enough to remove with just two phillips screws.

Now for the main negative... What the hell do they do to these things after making them, but before anodizing them? Myne had approximately 6 substantial dings in it coming out of the package and none of them were as a result of the shipper. None of them were throgh the anodize, but all of them were substantial enough to where they would have been if this damage had happened after the anodizing process. One on the back actually forced the metal up to where the C-more wouldn't sit flat on the mount.I grinded that one out to make the mount work. This aspect of the mount is unacceptable in my opinion and ruins what would otherwise be a pretty awesome mount.

If they can fix the fact that some random dude at the factory hits these things repeatedly with a pointy hammer for no obvious reason and if they replace the ball detent system with a metal slug that won't get stuck in the spring hole, but will still effectively lock the side stand open and closed, this mount WILL be the one to have for a vertical mount setup. It would also be nice if the made a side mount with these same features.

Until then, 3 out of 5 stars.

[thebridge]

wow, been looking at that. Great info!

[jan]

Hello

And wat did Saul sad about these things

[Whoops!]

I don't know. In my mind it is too late for a fix. I ordered the mount to be shipped overnight for a match the next day and was not willing to return to customer service for any fixes, I had to make it work myself.

[Gelaendewolf]

I don't know. In my mind it is too late for a fix. I ordered the mount to be shipped overnight for a match the next day and was not willing to return to customer service for any fixes, I had to make it work myself.

So.....you made an important change on your gun just right before a match, got into troubles with that part, gave us your details about what seems to have had happened...and now what is the conclusion? As you prefer not to contact the dealer and/or Saul at DAA we just can guess: Only a single "bad made" part? Or did you "Dremel" on that part by yourself to early? Assembly-mistake?

Could it be that you have forgotten to put in the spring before the ball in the assembly-process? A.s.o.

As counterexample to your case I can tell you, that I have mounted in the last six months three of that 3-in-1-mounts on my guns - not problems at all, no imprecise parts or bad finish or so....

But as interested in that stuff I will take your experience to Saul, whom I will meet this weekend at the IWA-Show over here in Europe. Will see what he might have to say to your case.

Regards

Woilfgang

[diehli]

Had the same issue with the ball sticking. Saul got back to me & said soak it with some CLP & whack it a couple times. No problems thereafter.

[BoyGlock]

I don't know. In my mind it is too late for a fix. I ordered the mount to be shipped overnight for a match the next day and was not willing to return to customer service for any fixes, I had to make it work myself.

So.....you made an important change on your gun just right before a match, got into troubles with that part, gave us your details about what seems to have had happened...and now what is the conclusion? As you prefer not to contact the dealer and/or Saul at DAA we just can guess: Only a single "bad made" part? Or did you "Dremel" on that part by yourself to early? Assembly-mistake?

Could it be that you have forgotten to put in the spring before the ball in the assembly-process? A.s.o.

As counterexample to your case I can tell you, that I have mounted in the last six months three of that 3-in-1-mounts on my guns - not problems at all, no imprecise parts or bad finish or so....

But as interested in that stuff I will take your experience to Saul, whom I will meet this weekend at the IWA-Show over here in Europe. Will see what he might have to say to your case.

Regards

Woilfgang

I would always like to see both sides of the fence.

But sometimes when an expectedly well-made item goes awry, one cant help but be dismayed

Most notably when theres no more time to go the route of the customer service.

Theres always a reason for some things to be expensive, being well-made is one, but unreliability is not.

And its PIA to the paying customer no matter how good the CS.

[Gelaendewolf]

I would always like to see both sides of the fence.

But sometimes when an expectedly well-made item goes awry, one cant help but be dismayed

Most notably when theres no more time to go the route of the customer service.

Theres always a reason for some things to be expensive, being well-made is one, but unreliability is not.

And its PIA to the paying customer no matter how good the CS.

Basically I am with you. What made me wondering, was

a) changing an important part just before a match without time for improvement, and

even afterwards not to try to talk to the dealer and/or producer about the occured problem...

And you are right: high-tech and expensive stuff can be anticipated working perfect - but: when there are problems (and as long as I can think even in high-end stuff things happens) man should give the dealer/producer the chance to come forward with a solution...

By the way: in my area there are about 90 or more of that 3-in-1-mounts in service (mostly bought within the last 12 months) and no problems are reported from the shooters at all...

Just my 2 cents...

Regards

Wolfgang

[Whoops!]

First, here's a picture of the mount on the gun.

Second, I use DAA Racemaster Mag pouches and they are great.

Third, just from this random post there's someone else who has had issues with the ball sticking. Let's think about this, even if the spring wasn't under the detent, which it must be since it worked for the first 50 rounds as stated, the ball should still slide out of the pocket with minimal effort.

Fourth, I read another reviewer online who stated the mount they received was nicked from the factory, as was myne.

Fifth, I red Loctite my mounts. My other mount broke three days before the match and I needed one. I'm not willing to undo the red Loctite even if customer service is willing to send me a brand new mount. Everytime I undo red loctite there ends up being at least one or two screws that have to be thrown away and I had to cut my screws to length to attach this mount to my gun.

Sixth, as a result of all of this and what was stated above, this mount is unacceptable from the factory.

Also, I don't think you know about 90 of these mounts in use in your "area". I think you just made that number up, unless of course you sell this mount, which brings into play a whole new set of variables.

I forgot to mention . . . How DARE you mention my Dremel skills as a possible cause of the issues. That leads me to believe you are highly biased, since I mentioned all of the abnormalities are BELOW the anodizing.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Whoops!

[Gelaendewolf]

First, here's a picture of the mount on the gun.

Second, I use DAA Racemaster Mag pouches and they are great.

Third, just from this random post there's someone else who has had issues with the ball sticking. Let's think about this, even if the spring wasn't under the detent, which it must be since it worked for the first 50 rounds as stated, the ball should still slide out of the pocket with minimal effort.

Fourth, I read another reviewer online who stated the mount they received was nicked from the factory, as was myne.

Fifth, I red Loctite my mounts. My other mount broke three days before the match and I needed one. I'm not willing to undo the red Loctite even if customer service is willing to send me a brand new mount. Everytime I undo red loctite there ends up being at least one or two screws that have to be thrown away and I had to cut my screws to length to attach this mount to my gun.

Sixth, as a result of all of this and what was stated above, this mount is unacceptable from the factory.

Also, I don't think you know about 90 of these mounts in use in your "area". I think you just made that number up, unless of course you sell this mount, which brings into play a whole new set of variables.

I forgot to mention . . . How DARE you mention my Dremel skills as a possible cause of the issues. That leads me to believe you are highly biased, since I mentioned all of the abnormalities are BELOW the anodizing.

Whoops,

first of all: it was for sure not my intention to offend you and/or your line of actions...

I just wanted to express my astonishment about some of the points you made, which brought me to some of my guesses..

Well - as I mentioned in one of my remarks: as I will meet Saul this weekend I will discuss that bad cases with him (as none of that ever occured over here) and see what he has to say....

And last but not least to your information:

- No I am not dealing with that stuff and no I have no job-related correlation to the producer.

- But: I work amongst others with an Fed.Institute for Material Testing and last autumn we contacted more than 500 shooters in our area with a questionayr-form regarding to their shooting-equipment in detail (such as what guns, what mags, what optics, what mounts..., occurring problems a.s.o.). The analysis of that forms arised amongst other issues what I quoted in my remark: more than 90 (exact quote: 93) of them use the 3-in-1-mount and stated no problems with that stuff at all (no cracks, no loosing parts, no negative remarks according to functionality, execution of construction-work a.s.o.).

Regards

Wolfgang

[Whoops!]

That makes sense. It didn't really offend me and I didn't mean to sound as such, I just had some questions in my mind as well.

[Gelaendewolf]

That makes sense. It didn't really offend me and I didn't mean to sound as such, I just had some questions in my mind as well.

Whoops,

as notified I talked to Saul and Eli from DAA last weekend at the IWA-show in Nurnberg. Well - just one comparable case known so far. So they ask you to contact them Eli@doublealpha.biz or info@doublealpha.biz (which is Saul)

Regards

Wolfgang