Jackcamp26 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Sig 1911 single stack. I have XL size hands with long skinny fingers. Thinking about switching the MSH to arched to give my palms a little more room. Any thoughts on my grip so far? Right hand thumb knuckle cocked up too much maybe- Riding the thumb on top of a normal sized safety. Thanks all, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle O Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 It looks good to me, thumb placement will vary slightly with each thumb. If it's on the safety, then it's where it should be. Most important, is to get this grip the same way, with each draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik S. Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) It looks like you're pressing down pretty hard with your right thumb. This is shooter preference, but I just rest my thumb on the top of the safety with slight pressure and grip the rest of my hand with a little more vigor. Looks like your left wrist is uncomfortably angled downward...is it comfortable to straighten your arms out a bit to eliminate that? Doing so will also reduce your felt recoil. *edited to add* these are just suggestions and observations...if it's comfortable and works for you, I can say that nothing in your picture is "incorrect", just maybe different from what I do. Edited January 19, 2011 by Erik S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackcamp26 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) I'd say I have light pressure with my thumbs. I always used to shoot with thumb below the safety (afraid of getting bit by the slide) I havent tried shooting this way yet- with the thumb on the safety, and the support wrist cammed over. Gun goes back for service today... so it'll be a month before I can try it out. After I get it back, I'm going to file on it some to relieve the underside of the trigger guard and beavertail to get my right hand up higher too. Been shooting handguns occasionally for years, but just started getting interested in competition- I need to figure out the grip to control the recoil and get back on target faster. ---Erik--- I havent figured out where my elbows should be- which affects the angle of my wrists. Something to play with at the range I guess. For clarification, were you referring to me "camming" the wrist too much? Or the angle coming down my forearms? Thanks, Jack Edited January 19, 2011 by Jackcamp26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Gene Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Your hands look rocked back to me. I have the same large palms, longer slender fingers. You don't want your elbows locked out. Do a youtube search on Saul Kirsch, watch his video on recoil control. Edited January 19, 2011 by Wild Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Could be the pic but your "trigger hand" looks very tight to me. You want it to be only 30-40% of your grip strength. But good placement otherwise. You'll want to reduce the angle of the wrists to bring them as close to a comfortable alignment with your forearms. Unnecessary muzzle flip will result as is. Here is a link http://www.doublealp...atts-tips/#c200 scroll down past half way to his famous "Timing Drill". A critically important drill to wrap to head around at this stage. Jim Edited January 19, 2011 by Jman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger10k Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) I'd say your elbows are a bit low. You should try to get your arms a bit higher. Your left wrist looks a little uncomfortable. Compare the angle your forearms make with the gun, and the angle Rob Leatham's make: I think the arched mainspring housing would be a good idea too. Edited January 19, 2011 by dagger10k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik S. Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Your hands look rocked back to me. I have the same large palms, longer slender fingers. You don't want your elbows locked out. Do a youtube search on Saul Kirsch, watch his video on recoil control. That is true...definitely don't LOCK your elbows...after re-reading my post, I should have been a little more clear on that. Just straighten your arms out a bit more to relieve some of that angle in your wrist...I am talking about your support hand wrist being canted down (angle between your palm and forearm) because your arms are so bent like I see alot of open shooters doing. I follow this guy's advice...just my opinion: Edited January 19, 2011 by Erik S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackcamp26 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Your hands look rocked back to me. I have the same large palms, longer slender fingers. You don't want your elbows locked out. Do a youtube search on Saul Kirsch, watch his video on recoil control. That is true...definitely don't LOCK your elbows...after re-reading my post, I should have been a little more clear on that. Just straighten your arms out a bit more to relieve some of that angle in your wrist...I am talking about your support hand wrist being canted down (angle between your palm and forearm) because your arms are so bent like I see alot of open shooters doing. I follow this guy's advice...just my opinion: Ahhh!!!! The Pic, Paul Kircsh, and especially this last youtube vid help ALOT!!!! The pic, and the youtube, I can clearly see where the elbows are. I dont lock my elbows, but the are "down" in the picture. Like with your hand in front of you... palm slap yourself in the forehead! I need to roll my elbows outward so I would "palm slap" the opposite shoulder! Thanks for the tips and digging around for the pics and vids. Appreciate your time. Regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackcamp26 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Great info everyone- I really appreciate you taking the time. Here is a pic of my ruger 22/45 with "do it to yourselfer" grip..... It's bondo built up... almost 2 inches thick accross the wide part of the palm swell.... thats how big my hands are.... (1.90 inches at the palm swell... a standard single stack 1911 is about 1.30- 1.310... It was more of a "challenge" than anything else... since people whined for years you couldnt customize a 22/45 grip.... proof positive they are wrong...... I just busted the grip off of it tonight to go back to stock.... The thumb shelf was low because of the hammer pin... which got me used to a low grip. Besides the incorrect thumb placement, it fit my hand great. The only downside I think, is 1- fat grip dont CCW very well.... and 2- it offsets the the hand to bore alignment... which is fine for a 22... but bad ju ju on a 45..... bore is at 11 o'clock to web of hand.... It seems every grip company makes "slim grips" but those of us with large hands are SOL. I "might" experiment with this idea on the fullsize 45... but the 11 o'clock bore axis worries me. I just want to point out that people with very large hands/long fingers have significant problems getting a good grip on single stacks. Thanks again all- Jack Edited January 20, 2011 by Jackcamp26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Sig 1911 single stack. I have XL size hands with long skinny fingers. Thinking about switching the MSH to arched to give my palms a little more room. Any thoughts on my grip so far? Right hand thumb knuckle cocked up too much maybe- Riding the thumb on top of a normal sized safety. Thanks all, Jack i would say that seems to be a solid start, I would be careful about making changes based on that picture (nothing really wrong in it). I would let the shooting, sight tracking make the adjustments from what you have there. The only thing I would add is that it looks like you may have side pressure on the gun from the left thumb and Brian may cut that off for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackcamp26 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 i would say that seems to be a solid start, I would be careful about making changes based on that picture (nothing really wrong in it). I would let the shooting, sight tracking make the adjustments from what you have there. The only thing I would add is that it looks like you may have side pressure on the gun from the left thumb and Brian may cut that off for you Playing around with it dryfiring, it's just poor trigger control... but I seem to keep the gun much more steady through the trigger pull with a VERY light pressure on the frame with the left thumb. Yeah... Brian may cut it off, or break it for me to fix it! Probably because I have to force my trigger finger so far outward to get the pad of my finger on the trigger, it makes the pull awkward, and I push the gun to the left pulling the trigger. I just dry fired that 22/45 pictured above, with red dot, and very light aftermarket trigger.... I get zero side to side movement. I think so far, its because this backward stretching of my trigger finger on the sig. Once I get it back from service, I'll hit the range, try the bill drills and experiment with the grip- I just wanted to be sure I was on the "right track". Thanks. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 i would say that seems to be a solid start, I would be careful about making changes based on that picture (nothing really wrong in it). I would let the shooting, sight tracking make the adjustments from what you have there. The only thing I would add is that it looks like you may have side pressure on the gun from the left thumb and Brian may cut that off for you Playing around with it dryfiring, it's just poor trigger control... but I seem to keep the gun much more steady through the trigger pull with a VERY light pressure on the frame with the left thumb. Yeah... Brian may cut it off, or break it for me to fix it! Probably because I have to force my trigger finger so far outward to get the pad of my finger on the trigger, it makes the pull awkward, and I push the gun to the left pulling the trigger. Thanks. Jack that made me take another look at the picture. I can't tell but in the upper pic it look's like the bottom of your trigger finger maybe making ccontact with the trigger guard. Make sure that does not happen. Also on parts to make your trigger finger shorter, you might try the wedge MSH it's for an S_I but can be easily modified to fit a 1911. http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=27C0000-1094593472 Also may get some inexpensive grips and try epoxy to build up the right panel some. P.S. I could never run with out my left thumb lightly touching either it just felt weird hanging out in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackcamp26 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 i would say that seems to be a solid start, I would be careful about making changes based on that picture (nothing really wrong in it). I would let the shooting, sight tracking make the adjustments from what you have there. The only thing I would add is that it looks like you may have side pressure on the gun from the left thumb and Brian may cut that off for you Playing around with it dryfiring, it's just poor trigger control... but I seem to keep the gun much more steady through the trigger pull with a VERY light pressure on the frame with the left thumb. Yeah... Brian may cut it off, or break it for me to fix it! Probably because I have to force my trigger finger so far outward to get the pad of my finger on the trigger, it makes the pull awkward, and I push the gun to the left pulling the trigger. Thanks. Jack that made me take another look at the picture. I can't tell but in the upper pic it look's like the bottom of your trigger finger maybe making ccontact with the trigger guard. Make sure that does not happen. Also on parts to make your trigger finger shorter, you might try the wedge MSH it's for an S_I but can be easily modified to fit a 1911. http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=27C0000-1094593472 Also may get some inexpensive grips and try epoxy to build up the right panel some. P.S. I could never run with out my left thumb lightly touching either it just felt weird hanging out in space. I just read the other day that Saul Kirsch builds up his grip with epoxy putty of some sort. I'm REALLY curious to see how thick his grip is. I played around with it- laid my hand flat against the top of the slide... the tip of my middle finger at the bore, the heel of the hand goes all the way to the hammer.... Much longer than most people from what I see of grip pictures. This, as I said, leaves very little "real estate" for the left palm on the grip panel because the fingers of the right hand cover so much of that panel. Doublestacks fit me a lot better, but I live in california... the only 1911 doubles we can get are paras.. Since I sent back the 1911, I only have the 22/45 and an "XD" to play with- though I think you may be right- I might be lightly touching the bottom of the trigger guard with the trigger finger- I'll have to check and work on that when I get the sig back. Doesnt happen on the 22/45 but they're similar.... not the same. Thanks for the input. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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