iron guns rule Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 well that's about it..... greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 AFAIK Tanfoglio's are single action psitols and hence not legal for IPSC production. On http://www.ipsc.org you can find the exact list of guns that are legal for IPSC production. For USPSA it's another story I think, so I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable of the (current) USPSA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron guns rule Posted February 18, 2004 Author Share Posted February 18, 2004 well....not all tangfoglio's are single action's..... the "stock" is a conventionel da/sa, and it's not in the list on www.ipsc.org (i always try to do my homework before asking question's ) greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 AFAIK, the guy that finished 2nd in to Dave Sevigny in the last World Shoot, shot a Tanfo Stock. This gun was designed for PD. But...I'll wait until Darth has his saying in this. Bjorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 IGR, I'm the guy who maintains the IPSC Approved Gun List and the Tanfoglio T95 Stock is already on the list, however if there's another model we should be considering, please let me know and I'll happily look into for you. I may also need to create a new page just for Tanfoglio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 DELETED TEXT I decided NOT to post my first response to this question. Rather, If anyone has a very basic question like "Is X gun listed on the IPSC approved production gun list (the one available to the public on www.ipsc.org) or what division is it in under the current rules (available to everyone at www.uspsa.com)??" then it might be best for everyone iy one were to take a moment & look for the answer yourself. Had this been posted in the BEginners section of BE, I might not care but it was posted in the USPSA/IPSC rules section. Your gun is the Tanfoglio 1911?? Or the single shot? Maybe a Tanfoglio single action open gun? Besides being a very basic question, it fails to provide enough info to answer. You also failed to specify USPSA (USA) or IPSC (outside USA), which have different rules for Production Division. I am guessing you are in the US & I am also guesing your gun is one of the more common double action Tanfoglio guns imported into the US (by EAA). If so, its at least 9x19 caliber (since the smaller Tanfoglios are not imported here) and assuming it is double action, and assuming the barrel is not ported, then your gun is suitable for Production Division in USPSA. BTW, I do not mean to come off harsh (hence the edit). Welcome to BE & welcome to the world of competitive action pistol shooting. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 BTW, I do not mean to come off harsh (hence the edit). LOL...that is the non-harsh version??? Let's take it easy on the new guys. They are just looking for answers anywhere they can find them. Once they have been here for 200-300 posts...then we can give them an ear-full for not using the search function and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Carlos, you assumed wrong. He said the manufacturer is Tanfoglio, not EAA. He said the model name is Stock, not Witness. Because of these, I assumed he is not in the U.S. and I assume I am correct. But you are right on one thing; he should have checked with IPSC.org first. Garfield, most Tanfoglios are DA/SA like the CZ-75, though they have SA-only models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Erik, you're assumptions are correct. And as far as checking the list goes: it's not very clear (at least to me). I would not assume that model Tanfoglio T95 Stock is the same as the model they advertise as "Stock". Especially since there are so many models on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron guns rule Posted February 18, 2004 Author Share Posted February 18, 2004 well carlos ... i'm sorry i have put the question in here......the gun i referd to is the "STOCK" made by TANGFOGLIO and i'm NOT living in the usa (the world is bigger than that.....) as i said in my second posting i did look in the approved list but the only "stock" gun in the list is the "T95F Stock" and i didn't reallize that this is the same gun...... so i probably won't bother you again with "stupid" newby question's...... greetings from the netherlands..... and no.....that's not the capital of danmark.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 IGR, Hang tough --- there's some other Europeans, including at least a couple of ex-patriate Germans hanging' out here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Oh IGR is well capable of surviving: he beats the crap out of me with his CZ75 in IPSC PD, and now he apparently wants to degrade his equipment so we're on the same competitive level And guys: maybe I haven't seen enough Tanfoglio's, but I have only seen SAO models, hence my assumption. I humbly stand corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 AFAIK, the guy that finished 2nd in to Dave Sevigny in the last World Shoot, shot a Tanfo Stock. Spook is right. At last World Shoot XIII the whole Italian Production team (Brocanelli, 2nd - Zuccolo, 4th - Iacomini, 6th - Piccioni, 22nd) shot a Tanfoglio T95 Stock. It is legal for IPSC Production Division, as uncle Vinnie pointed out. Here a description (sorry for the bad english). It's a widely used Production gun here in Italy. Vince, whenever you decide to start a list for Massimo's guns alone, let me know, I still have to learn how many different variations of the same gun can be ordered from the factory! Garfield, you might want to take a look at Tanfoglio's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi guys, I'm in a quandry. The dominant Australian half of me says "Bloody Italian gun manufacturers. We should ban all their guns because they have too many models and it's a bugger trying to keep up with them!", but the less dominant yet playful Italian side of me says "Lets drink more vino". Frankly, our dear friends Pietro Beretta and Massimo Tanfoglio drive me nuts because of the number of different model guns they've released over the years but, so far, I've managed to keep a modicum of sanity on the Approved Gun List, thanks to a regular infusion of double espresso. Anyway, as far as Tanfoglio is concerned, here is a list of their current guns which helps to clarify which ones are DA and therefore suitable for Production Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omen Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Does this gun come with a decocker, or it is a "manual decock" like my CZ-85Combat? The pic and all the details I can find seem to imply no decocker, but someone said this gun was designed for PD, in which case it would have one.. ?? Thanks! omen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Omen, at present the only Tanfos with a decocking lever are the ones with a slide-mounted safety, which acts as a decocking lever too (lowering the lever will apply safety and decock the hammer). Tanfos with frame-mounted safety are not provided with a decocking lever, mainly because they allow carry in condition one (a.k.a. cocked 'n' locked). To uncock the hammer you'll have to pull the trigger and gently put the hammer at rest. The Stock version of T95 has no decocking lever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omen Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Hmmm... Ok, thanks. So for PD purposes, I'd want the "T95 Stock"? What's the "Buzz" thing? I'm using a CZ now, but am looking to upgrade to something with the same frame size/shape/etc, and I hear these are good pistols. I just want to make sure I get the correct model, for Production purposes. How easy is it to get support/parts/etc for these pistols in North America? Thanks! omen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Omen, maybe for further informations you'd want to browse Tanfoglio's website. If you don't mind manually decocking a gun, there is nothing wrong with a Stock in PD. The Buzz thing is the ported version for Modified Division. BTW, Italian gunzines have covered the release of a new Tanfo model for PD, which is basically a long dustcover-fat slide version of the T95 Stock, much similar to the Limited Custom HC model, apart for the magwell. They say it'll be available by fall here in Italy (and maybe Vince can relate on the submission of all details of this handgun to IPSC for inclusion in approved guns list). Yes Tanfos are quite good pistols, but I doubt they are way better than CZs, and AFAIK, they're not so easy or convenient to purchase on the opposite border of the Ocean. Don't even know if they have a U.S. resaler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omen Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 Thanks! I'm following the talk about the new CZ pistol for Production, if that gets settled, I might just go with that ;-) Thanks for the info! omen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I've been finally able to post a photo of the new Tanfoglio Stock for Production Division. Here it is: Vince, if you're listening, could you tell us if the papers for it to be included in the approved list for PD Div. have already been presented to IPSC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Scope mount holes in the frame of a Production gun... No decocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Scope mount holes are drilled on every Tanfo frame, regardless of the division (as you can see in the Limited Model for STD Div. below). I guess they mated an old stock slide with a new Open 9mm frame (long dustcover) that is being manufactured since last year, because I saw a few Tanfo Open guns with long dustcover frames. No decocking lever, you're right, as it was in the old version of the Stock. Again, I guess this was a specific request from the vast majority of the competitors: in all Tanfoglio pistols, the decocking lever is a slide-mounted one, and many competitors preferred to have clean slide lateral surfaces (for fast racking operations), instead of an ambi safety/decoker installed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Vince, if you're listening, could you tell us if the papers for it to be included in the approved list for PD Div. have already been presented to IPSC? Yes, and it's already on the approved gun list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulder Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Why no STI on the list vince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Cutter Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 wow! the new tanfog stock will surely give the cz sp01 tactical very good competition! Luca, do you know if the new long dustcover stock ihas the same mag capacity of 18+1 like the new cz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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