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Hey Gose, in long range matches you get NO spotter. It's just you, your gun, and the good Lord.
But we're not talking long range matches here. We're talking about three bonus targets at a 3-gun match where you are allowed spotters
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Shooting just 10s isnt really that important. Figuring out what works and what doesnt, is.
I tested gripping with different pressure, different hand positions on the barricade, different body positions on both sides of the barricade, shooting faster and slower.
Just test the shit out of things, to find what works.
Also, when you practice, dont worry about holding off to shoot all 10s. Practice aiming for the center/neck and make sure you shoot nice groups. With more training and finding the right positions, you'll soon be able to hold in the center for everything, so practice "the right way" and then just hold off at matches.
When I started shooting PPC I had to hold off quite a bit, especially left barricade, but also sitting (at 50y). After a while and a decent amount of practice, I was able to hold center/neck even at 50y.
Btw, Ralf and Sylvia are good friends of mine, so if you ever head out that way or decide to get something from them, say hi from me
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dry fire, dry fire, dry fire.
And practice more at the 50ym line. Once you step back to the 25y line the target looks enormous.
Practising the actual match isnt really that useful either. Figure out where you're losing points and practice only on those segments. No point in wasting ammo at 3 and 6y. When I was practicing PPC, I could spend an entire range session only shooting one single string, or even a single position, for hundreds of rounds.
However, there's probably only so far you'll get if you dont have anyone to practice with. It might be worth saving up the money to take a class from Neil Jones, or someone else. In the long run in might save you money....
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Some of my gear still has KY mud in various places...
and I didnt even shoot the match last year
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Hmmmm. I really like the flat trajectory of the 55gr projectiles. Has anyone played around with slightly heavier bullets - say 62gr? I am wondering if the right powder could get me to velocities above 3000, with the extra weight giving me more knock-down power?
I want to have my cake AND eat it too
I was at mid-high 2900s in my 18" JP and just over 3000 In the 20" with my 69gr SMKs. Compressed VV140 load over recommended max.
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+1 for semi. Bolt is just too slow.
A .308 works just fine. You'll probably have someone spotting for you and helping you get on target, so no need for something fancier.
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I think its' because you're scary looking and look operator. My local airport was the worst. The major airports seem to do this less than the local. Although Phoenix was a real ball buster one time leaving. Like 10 shooters flying out in same line and 6 or 7 got dinged. Once was enough for me.
Im a thin and pale computer geek, pretty much as far from operator as you can get
Ive had good experiences at PHX, so I guess it's more depending on the airline you fly with than the airport.
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Do the people on here want PO because they think they will be more competitive?
I don't think it will make me more competitive, I have not been competitive for years and I don't see that changing just because a new division is being considered. I've been shooting a Prod/Optics gun for over 6 months and have been beaten by a lot of competitors, the same competitors that were beating me when I shot an Open/Major gun.
I am promoting this division because of all the reasons I have specified over and over again.
- I think it will grow the sport
- I think it will help retain competitors who may have to leave the sport due to poor vision
- I think it will help to promote sponsorship from companies that make this equipment
- I think it provides a lower cost alternative to Open for competitors that want/need to use a red-dot
For the first point, I believe that the number of gun owners that can't be bothered to shoot USPSA with an iron sighted gun but will happily do so with a PO gun with 10 round magazines and no other modifications is virtually zero. I dont think Ive ever seen one of those at a match and the ones Ive seen in non-match settings are extremely few. If, and thats a pretty big if, there is any decent participation in this division, I suspect that it will just be people jumping over from other divisions.
Im not sure the second point is very valid. No one has to leave because their vision is bad (unless they cant see the targets), since they can shoot just fine in Open.
Third point might have some merit, but since it's very unlikely to be a large division, sponsorship will be according to size (read small). Seems implausible that Glock or S&W would plow large sums of money into a small division with uncertain future, some maybe, but unlikely to be noticeable in the grand scheme of things.
The fourth point is just silly. A gun for PO wont be cheaper than shooting in Open, because (surprise!) exactly the same gun will be ok in Open. Creating a new division so that some people can be just a little more competitive seems like a waste of time.
Revolver Optics might make more sense, since I'm guessing that division has the highest average age and would be the most in need of dots
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All of these arguments are precisely why it should be tried as a provisional division for a couple of years.
Give the division a chance to sink or swim on its own merits, everything is just speculation at this point, we don't know how much interest there will be if there was a recognized division, the only way to find out for sure is to try it. Will trying it for a couple of years destroy USPSA or irrevocably harm our competitions or drive away members ? I don't think so…
I say we try Production Optics, Open 10, Revolver Optics, Compact Carry Pistol, Limited Optics, Duty Pistol, Duty Optics all at the same time and the division with the highest participation wins recognition!
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Last time I chronoed my G34 and SP01, the difference was 0.5 PF between the two.
YMMV.
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3200 Storm is oversize, 3100 Storm is ok size. Seen more guys gigged for overweight than L+W+D issues. I fly matches a lot. 3100 works, break down the long guns. Take pistol ammo and box of rifle ammo, in suitcase. Ship shotgun ammo to yourself at the hotel you will be staying. Have plan B and C for shotgun ammo. Get there early to check in. Southwest if you can. They don't go everywhere. If you don't have a UPS account, make one. Really makes shipping ammo a breeze.
Ive flown quite a bit with a few different airlines with my 3300 and never been dinged for overweight or oversize, guess Ive been lucky.
Yup. Me, Bennie Cooley, Rob Romero, Jansen Jones, TNTC One time it was 100.00 per segment, Delta. 400.00 total. So I just learned to pack real light.
Ive seen them weigh it several times without dinging me for it, 75lbs I think is the record so far
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3200 Storm is oversize, 3100 Storm is ok size. Seen more guys gigged for overweight than L+W+D issues. I fly matches a lot. 3100 works, break down the long guns. Take pistol ammo and box of rifle ammo, in suitcase. Ship shotgun ammo to yourself at the hotel you will be staying. Have plan B and C for shotgun ammo. Get there early to check in. Southwest if you can. They don't go everywhere. If you don't have a UPS account, make one. Really makes shipping ammo a breeze.
Ive flown quite a bit with a few different airlines with my 3300 and never been dinged for overweight or oversize, guess Ive been lucky.
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Magpul GL9
in Glock
Dont really see the point if they're $5 or so less than factory mags, but for those that need 40-50 mags / gun, it adds up fast!
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It looks like the discusion time is over. Good for 3GN for listening to the opinions of the shooters. I am curious to see how these rules play out.
It will be interesting to see if other companies come out with longer magazines now. If not it's gonna give the Unlimted Glock shooters a bit of an advantage with the 33 round mags for them.
33 - 33 ? ?
HA
I got a 55 round drum for mine
Well it originally was for my 9mm AR
carbineuhh , I mean pistol
Just put a Glock feed tower on that Beta mag.. you know you want to!
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It looks like the discusion time is over. Good for 3GN for listening to the opinions of the shooters. I am curious to see how these rules play out.
It will be interesting to see if other companies come out with longer magazines now. If not it's gonna give the Unlimted Glock shooters a bit of an advantage with the 33 round mags for them.
My CZ 170mm mags take 29 with a thin base pad. I'll probably get another 2-3 rounds into them if I use the CZC large basepad.
Of course, the Glock shooters could put a +5 base pad on their mags and get to 36, or use a drum.
For 3-gun, I think youve pretty much reached the point of diminishing returns when you hit 30-32.
I doubt that removing the limit is going to change anything, it just seemed like a silly historical restriction, so kudos to 3GN for listening
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Either I haven't been paying attention or I'm not cool enough to squad with any of the PCC users.
I thought 9mm rifle wouldn't make PF, but then I found the rule that says power factor doesn't apply to time plus scoring, which is something I could complain about for days.
150 pf out of a 9mm carbine is easily achieved. Depending on your load/powder, your 125-130 pf minor pistol load might actually make 150 in your 16" 9mm AR. (not that it matters, since not even USPSA cares about pf for 3-gun anymore)
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No length was given for rifle mags so we do not even know if a 30 round Pmag will be legal, we need to know the size of the magazine gauge. Is it length only? Isn't a Beta mag about as long as a standard 30 rounder, would that be legal?(obviously not just showing the need for a better defined restriction)
They dont mention anything about caliber in the rules either, so when they say factory length, do they mean for .223/5.56? What about mags for other calibers?
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The reason that this thread exists is to get some feedback on the rules prior to them being set in stone, let's spend our time debating the rules and possible improvements.
Second, insert any other restrictions on modifications that you actually intend for each division.
List the modifications that you explicitly don't want to see. I don't know what those are or if you have any in mind since most everything is allowed in divisions. Perhaps you don't want frame weights, tac lights, or slide rackers? Can shooters legally add weight?
I think that listing allowed configurations and modifications would be preferred to the other way around, at least for a division like Factory that's supposed to be pretty restricted (I assume)
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As "factory configuration" is included in all of the divisions not just the "factory" division, it would seem very clear to me that they are using the common interpretation of the phrase, and not a more stringent as came from the factory sort of vibe.
Which historically has meant that pretty much anything goes, as long as its based on a "standard" 1911/2011 or AR platform. Even custom built ARs shooting wildcat calibers have been ok in the past...
If theyr'e trying to change that, they probably need to define and refine the rules a little further, since it's a can of worms. If not, then factory is a stupid name.
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I am all for crapping on 3Gn threads, but let's at least keep it entertaining. Either step up the personal attacks or get back to substantial discussion.
You smell bad.
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For a minute I got really excited and thought that they would actually have an unlimited division. Then it turns out they just renamed Open. :/
What are some things you'd like to see in true Unlimited?
Things like removing the mag limits for pistols. It's silly to have restrictions on pistol mags but not rifle and shotgun mags. Or removing the restrictions on not modifying or reconfiguring things between stages.
Kinda like Trooper division, but without the restriction of having to carry everything between stages.
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+1 on all accounts. All the other sports have rules committees and procedures in place to prevent this angst.
Yeah, 3GN needs some tiger teams!
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For a minute I got really excited and thought that they would actually have an unlimited division. Then it turns out they just renamed Open. :/
MGM Ironman long range: Bolt or gas gun? (rookie question)
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Last time I shot it, I believe it was 5 hits worth 10s each / target, but it's been a while.